Marco, many Allied Army prisoners of the North African campaign were imprisoned in northern Italy up till this time, so these men may not necessarily have been airmen. i have spoke with several men who were in Italian POW camps, before and after the Allied invasion of Italy. One of them, a New Zealand soldier, who was captured in North Africa, went through several prison camps in Italy, and twice escaped from tains while being moved. One of those escapes saw him free and living with partisans for many months. he was recaptured both times, and like all the others ended up in Germany.
Perhaps the sun came out and it melted. She’ll probably find her coins and spoons on the front lawn when the thaw comes. I mean, how the hell could you steal a snowman anyway, surely it’s not possible? And for that matter, why would you?
Perhaps the sun came out and it melted. She’ll probably find her coins and spoons on the front lawn when the thaw comes. I mean, how the hell could you steal a snowman anyway, surely it’s not possible? And for that matter, why would you?
Thanks for that 880Squadron. I’ll bet your deck commander mate has a lot of stories to tell.
I completely agree with that Lee, logbooks are invaluable to researchers in piecing together the history of particular airframes. I have been doing it with several aircraft including ones they are still around in museums today. It’s really fascinating what you find in logbooks actually.
Marvellous photos. I just love this, thanks for posting.
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The seafire seems to have a lighter coloured tailfin than the rudder, around the finflash, and it looks like that colour might also be on the horisontal stabilisers. Could this perhaps be yellow, as seen on the Sea Hurricane at Old Warden maybe? The Sea Hurricane had also served on No. 880 Squadron so was it perhaps squadron colours?
That’s a super photo there 880squadron of the Seafire bellied in on the deck.
Are you in tocuh with any deck crew members from any carriers who might live in New Zealand? In my filming of Fleet Air Arm veterans for the film project I’m working on (New Zealanders in the Fleet Air Arm) I have only found one deck officer who was on radars on Illustrious, whereas I have interviewed around 20 plus flyers. I’d love to find some more kiwi deck crew workers from carriers, or at least ex-pat Brits who live here in NZ now.
Excellent photo and great details 880 Squadron.
Something I hadn’t thought about till I looked at your photo, did the WWII US Navy carrier deck crew wear the colour coded clothing like modern carriers do, so they are easily recognisable as to what they are doing on the deck? There seems to be an array of uniform colours. Also, did the WWII Royal Navy deck crew also do this?
Thanks for that. Not a surprise that so many were involved, by 1945 a quarter of the Fleet Air Arm’s aircrew memebrs were kiwis.
880Squadron, thanks for the details of your father’s squadron. Are you aware if there were any New Zealanders in No. 880 Naval Air Squadron?
Is it for officers only? Or can other ranks also use it?
Thanks James. Much appreciated.
until you take into account its operational altitude, counted in feet, then you realise how all the armament could be trained on anything having to make a shallow dive attack on it.
Would the same low level operation technique have worked for the B17or B24’s of the USAAF and the heavies of Bomber Command. Flack and terraine would obviously have been an increased problems but attack from below by enemy fighters would have been prevented.Richard
It was I believe a standard practice for bombers and maritime patrol aircraft to dive to a minimum altitude over the water if under threat. I have talked with people who flew in RNZAF Hudsons who survived attackes from multiple Zeros by getting down to sea level and using the turret to fight them off. One Hudson could cope well enough – the pilot would be putting the aircraft through the gate to get as far away from the Jap base as possible too so the fighters ran out of range – but they reckoned if there were two Hudsons the odds were far better for survival as both turrets trained on the diving aircraft were leathal. The Venturas that succeeded them were even better, a famous incident where two were attacked by many fighters saw three Zeros destroyed, two damaged and no loss to the PV-1’s.
I have interviewed a chap who flew B-26 Marauders in the RAF. His role was to fly around Axis ports each day counting ships and checking movements. When the German fighters scrambled, he’d floor it out to sea. These B-26’s were lightened, and many crew memebrs removed and had long range tanks fitted. He’d bring it down till the rear gunner could see the vortices on the water from the props, and he said that was 15 feet. He’d then slowly drop height till the vortices merged, and the rear gunner yelled that this had happened. At this point the bottoms of the prop arcs were six feet off the water. He locked it all off and sat at this height till the attack was over. He reckoned the B-26 was remarkably stable and reliable, and you could never have done tis with a Wellington or other British types he’d flown, as they drifted and you had to continually figh them. Anyway he flew like this with the gunner fighting off attackers till the fighters ran out of range and turned for home. Oftn whenthe fighter turned, so did he, and he followed it back in so he could finish his reconnaissance. He said at six feet off the water htere was nothing that could get a clear shot at him and generally they were never hit by a single round. I thnk on one occasion they were hit further up at higher altitude.
Indeed an important event and worth remembering. I was told just two days ago by a historian friend that, although no New Zealanders were among the Fleet Air Arm pilots who took part in the raid, apparently a kiwi called Willoughby was very instrumental in the planning of the attack. I have not had any chance yet to look into this further so I wonder what the experts here can add to this? My mate said Willoughby later got into significant trouble for refusing to take his men on an obviously suicidal raid. I don’t know anything else though.
Nice shot of the PAC Airtrainer there on the Wigram flightline, Max Airspeed. Christchurch’s winter smogs could certainly provide some interesting and atmospheric sunrise photos.