Hello NBP12,
Thank you for the additional information. It looks as though Sgt Tebbutt’s wife Ida was living at Luton at the time but I believe he was born at Leighton Buzzard, or at least within that registration district. I am in contact with several closer relations including a niece of his but she was only just 1 year old when he died. I will give you my e-mail via private message so we can continue this without boring the fine folks here with genealogy.
Regards,
Paul aka PalmTree1
Open to correction, but I believe XD163 and XD183 were both Whirlwinds though I have no idea if they served with 275 Sqdn.
Paul
Yet more great pictures. Keep up the good work 😀
Your Douglas Destroyers (B-66) are a mix…
40438 40543 and 4538 are indeed 10 TRW RB-66B’s
30504 4551 40459 are 47BW B-66B’s
30543 is another RB-66B but cannot see any unit markings…
Regards,
Paul
Hi Dave,
Agree with you on the SA- use. I have always assumed that the HZ- prefix has its origins in the Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia, basically the mountains along the Red Sea to the north of Jeddah. Hijaz could easily be phonetically transcribed as Hedjaz so your memory of an old photo could well be correct though I’ve not come across it before.
Regards,
Paul aka PalmTree1
Chris,
You must be a youngster if you say the Saudi Register is HZ-XXX as back in the begining of time it was SA-XXX. Not much used but I have the following…
SA-AAA to AAE Bristol Freighter 21E
SA-R-1 C-47B
SA-R-2 & 3 C-47
SA-R-4 C-54E & Convair 340
SA-R-5 Beech D18S & Convair 340 & Heron 2
SA-R-6 Varsity T1 & DC-6B
SA-R-7 Comet 4C
Interestingly this same list also includes Caravelle III SA-DAE with c/n 56 but this was SE-DAE with SAS and HS-TGF with Thai so I think this is just a typo that has as usual been copied over and over around the web.
Regards,
Paul aka PalmTree1
Hi Chris
I think your Cessna 172 SLN-07 was used by the CanadianAF flying club at Sollingen in Germany in the good old days when they had CF-104s based there. Note the Canadian flag on the tail.
HTH
Paul
I have not found anything on Richard Deterding but Henry’s grand-daughter Zoe has a webpage with a link to her e-mail so she might be worth contacting http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trevor.barker/zoe/deterding/introduction.htm
I have a little more info on the Gipsy Moth G-AAWS. It was c/n 1239 and crashed at Nursling 31.3.36. No idea if it was still owned by Henry at that time or if anyone was hurt. As far as I can find out Nursling is a village just NW of Southampton.
HTH
Paul
Yes the wings on Gypsy Moths do fold back, we had one at Sywell (G-ATBL ex Swiss) that I saw on several occasions folded away in the hangar.
I would love to meet with you sometime but it will not be for a while yet as I am living in Paris these days. Having said that there is a possibility that I might be getting my old job back at Heathrow after 20 years away so I’ll let you know.
Paul
After a little searching, I have “found” the Messenger…
Messenger 2A c/n 6334 G-AHZT
CofA issued to H. Deterding, Sywell 19 Feb, 1947 as G-AHZT. To the Zeta Flying Group, Elstree in October 1967.
Paul
Glad to be of help 🙂
I suspect that he kept the Gypsy Moth for a number of years, maybe up to the start of the war, but cannot immediately put my finger on anything in the book to confirm it.
I have never seen anything fly at Newnham but certainly saw the Messenger at Sywell at weekends when the Deterdings often used to fly over for lunch.
Could it be that the original hangar was replaced at some stage, and why did they need two? :confused:
The book was published in 1978 (when I bought my copy) by Sywell Aerodrome Ltd so they might still have one on a shelf somewhere. Maybe TexanTomcat might have one at the Museum?
Paul
Hi Neil,
As someone that was often hanging around at Sywell in the 60s and 70s and who had family at Daventry I can fill in some information on Henry Deterding but cannot answer your main question!
Henry first became associated with Sywell around 1930 when both he and his wife learned to fly there. He bought Gypsy Moth G-AAWS in June 1930, initially based at Sywell until they built their own hangar at the farm strip at Newnham. At the end of 1931 Henry took over the running of the social club at Sywell. In WWII he served as a Lieutenant in the Fleet Air Arm flying a Swordfish from HMS Furious during the invasion of Norway in 1940. In 1945 he was as a Director of Sywell Aerodrome Ltd becoming Vice-Chairmain in 1952 and Chairman in 1960 until he resigned at the end of 1961.
As to later aircraft owned by Henry, I know that he had a Miles Messenger, blue and cream from memory, but I have forget the registration, and moved on to a Cessna later, G-ARAW sounds familiar though my source for a lot of this talks of a 172 not a 182…
And finally to give due credit, this information is mainly extracted from “Sywell: The story of an English Aerodrome 1928-1978” written by Christopher Paul.
HTH,
Paul
Hello guys and girls,
Been lurking here for a long time and finally I think I have an answer to a quiz!
No.13 Flying Brick House = Kennedy Giant made by The Gramaphone Co Ltd (don’t all laugh at once) and Fairey Aviation.
Cheers,
Paul
Glad to see I’ve generated some interest.
I too wondered about an Indian Canberra but as Damien says they weren’t delivered until 1957, and I cannot find any serial that fits either.
My friend obviously thought it was French until I suggested otherwise. The 6 French Canberras B6 were marked F763, F769, F784, F304, F316, and F318 which does not fit with the serial visible in the photo. Just to add another mystery, I have a photo of F779 with a B(I)8 type nose and canopy…
Until I started checking dates I was convinced that it was indeed RRAF165 on delivery, but it seems this was delivered between 1st and 4th June 1959, but if my friend’s father is correct the picture was take 3 years before!
Paul
To help here is a blow up of the serial area…