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  • in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2034389
    StevoJH
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    Honestly, be nice and friendly with China, take their money, but prepare for the worst to happen.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2034503
    StevoJH
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    German Navy must shut down new corvettes

    ….sorry, in german:

    Marine muss neue Korvetten stilllegen

    Schiffe fallen wegen Getriebeschäden für Auslandseinsätze aus

    Die Marine muss auf absehbare Zeit auf ihre neuen Korvetten des Typs K130 verzichten. Alle fünf Neubauten der als sehr innovativ geltenden Klasse wurden jetzt stillgelegt. Die aus der Schweiz stammenden Getriebe der Schiffe sind defekt.

    Der Befehlshaber der Marine braucht die fünf Neubauten der „Braunschweig“-Klasse händeringend für die Auslandseinsätze vor dem Libanon und im Anti-Piratenkampf. Die Korvetten sollten eigentlich bereits in diesem Jahr die überstrapazierten Fregatten entlasten. Doch daraus wird nun nichts. Die zum Stückpreis von 240 Millionen Euro durch den Bund bei den Werften TKMS und Lürssen bestellten Schiffe liegen still. Die MTU-Motoren wurden bereits für eine längere Liegezeit konserviert. Drei der fünf Schiffe traf dieses Schicksal sogar noch vor ihrer Indienststellung. Ursache sind Getriebeschäden.

    Entdeckt wurde das Problem bei Testfahrten auf der bei Blohm + Voss gebauten Korvette „Oldenburg“. Während dieser Fahrten fiel eine Schraube in die Zahnräder und verursachte erhebliche Schäden. Bei der anschließenden Fehlersuche stellte sich heraus, dass die Getriebe der neuen Korvetten eine ganze Reihe von zum Teil konstruktiven Mängeln aufweisen. Der Hersteller MAAG aus Winterthur in der Schweiz wurde deshalb von Marine und Arbeitsgemeinschaft K130 aufgefordert, bis zum 12. Juni ein Konzept zur Mängelbeseitigung vorzulegen. Die „Oldenburg“ und das Typschiff „Braunschweig“ wurden bereits in Hamburg aufgelegt.

    Ein Sprecher der ARGE, die aus dem Werftenverbund ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems und der Lürssen-Gruppe besteht, bestätigte den Kieler Nachrichten die Mängel und die Absicht, alle Getriebe auszubauen. Zu Kosten und Strafzahlungen machten weder Vertreter der Marine noch der Werften Angaben. Die Kosten dürften sich aber auf mehrere Millionen Euro belaufen.

    Angesichts der langen Liste der Mängel und der erforderlichen Prüf- und Erprobungszeiten für die überarbeiteten Getriebe wird die Marine die Korvetten vermutlich nicht vor dem Jahr 2011 operativ für Auslandseinsätze nutzen können. Die Erprobung der ersten Korvette kann nach Informationen der Kieler Nachrichten nicht vor Januar 2010 beginnen. Die volle Verfügbarkeit aller fünf Schiffe dürfte frühestens Mitte 2011 bestehen. Ursprünglich sollten die „Braunschweig“ und ihre vier Schwesterschiffe laut Bauvertrag bereits zwischen Mai 2007 und Februar 2009 in Dienst gestellt werden.

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    Navy must shut down new corvettes

    Ships are due to damage to gear from abroad

    The Navy needs for the foreseeable future at their new K130 corvettes type renounce. All five of the new force as a very innovative class have now been decommissioned. The from Switzerland-based gear vessels are broken.

    The commander of the Navy needs five new buildings of the “Brunswick” class desperately for foreign assignments before the Lebanon and Anti-pirate battle. The corvettes should actually already this year, the frigates relieve overworked. But this is now nothing. The unit price of EUR 240 million by the federal government in the shipyards and TKMS Lürssen ordered ships lie still. The MTU engines have already been for a long lay preserved. Three of the five ships met this fate even before its commissioning. Due to gear damage.

    The problem was discovered during test runs at the Blohm + Voss built corvette “Oldenburg.” During these trips was a screw into the gears and caused considerable damage. In the subsequent debugging, it turned out that the gears of the new corvettes a whole series of defects to which constructive part. The manufacturer MAAG from Winterthur in Switzerland was therefore of Marine and K130 Association invited until 12 June is a remedial approach to be submitted. The “Oldenburg” and the Typschiff “Brunswick” has already been set up in Hamburg.

    A spokesman for the contractor, from the shipyard group ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Lürssen Group consists confirmed the Kieler Nachrichten shortcomings and intend to expand all gear. For costs and penalty payments made neither representative of the Navy nor the shipyard information. The costs should, however, to several million.

    Given the long list of deficiencies and the necessary verification and testing times for the revised gearbox is the Navy corvettes probably not before 2011, operative for use abroad. The testing of the first corvette can look for information of Kieler Nachrichten not begin before January 2010. The full availability of all five vessels is expected no earlier than mid-2011 there. Initially, “Brunswick” and its four sister ships already under construction between May 2007 and February 2009 in service.

    in reply to: The myth of missile boat threat? #2034570
    StevoJH
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    I have to admit that the FAC’s in question were hardly Gepard class FAC’s with RAM missiles for self defense or Saar 4’s with their Phalanx……

    in reply to: CVA-01 Opinions? #2034729
    StevoJH
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    Mid-late 80s, the RN with 2-3 large carriers and a fighter/strike force of 6-7 squadrons would have probably made a navalised GR1/F3 afordable and a full functional F3 would have been similar to a Tomcat, while the GR1 is a superior platform to a Bucc what ever the old guard say, its supersonic for a start. By the mid-late 90s Buccs and Phans would have been out of hours after 2-3 decades of punishing north atlantic sea landings.

    And given a Falklands scenario i would much rather an F3 than a SHAR….. would be a BVR turkey shoot.

    Sure, and even if they got WVR the tornadoes would have all aspect sidewinder AIM-9L’s against the rear aspect only missiles carried by the Argentine Mirage fighters.

    in reply to: CVA-01 Opinions? #2034776
    StevoJH
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    Not Tomcats? I could imagine Navalised Tornados myself. Whether that be an ‘Ultimate Tornado’ that combined the roles of both GR1 and F3 or navalised versions of each.

    Probably possible with enough money spent on it. I’d assume two variants, one based off the GR.1B and one based off the F3. One variant to replace the Buccaneers and the other to replace the phantoms.

    in reply to: News on India's forth coming Carriers??? #2035318
    StevoJH
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    India has become the 4th nation to join the select club of 40,000 tonne plus carrier designers and builders.

    Isnt that 5th?
    US: Super carriers
    UK: HMS Eagle & Ark Royal (soon will be + QE and PoW)
    Japan: Shinano
    USSR: Kiev class & Admiral Kutzenov

    in reply to: Mother ships for LCS? #2035327
    StevoJH
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    First off I do think the speed is excessive. It was bought at great cost and caused a number of design compromises. However these ships have a range of 4,500 nautical miles and can travel up to 1,500 nautical miles at high speeds. They do not and will not need to travel in the company of a tanker.

    They are in size and range equivalent to OHPs. They are ocean going frigates. Why do they need a mother ship?

    LCS 1 can go 3,500 nm @ 18 knots
    LCS 2 can go 4,500 nm @ 20 knots
    OHP can go 4,500 nm @ 20 knots
    Max speed of most fleet tankers 18-20 knots.

    Seeing a pattern?

    1,500 nm is not very far. 1 nautical mile is 1.85 km, so some examples are.
    San Diego <-> Honolulu = ~2,200 nm
    Honolulu <-> Okinawa = ~ 3,800 nm
    Honolulu <-> Midway = ~ 1,100 nm
    Midway <-> Okinawa = ~ 2,972 nm
    Norfolk Naval Base <-> HMNB Devenport = ~ 3,000 nm

    Basicly anywhere the LCS’s want to go they can arrive no sooner then a conventional ship. They do have an advantage once on station, but that is traded off by the increased dependence upon tankers to maintain that advantage. Of course once you factor in helicopters, what do you need the additional speed for?

    in reply to: Mother ships for LCS? #2035388
    StevoJH
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    What i find amusing about the LCS’s is that their speed is quite useless in many situations because just like their “big brothers” their rate of advance when they redeploy from one part of the world to another is always going to be limited to that of the slowest ship in the formation, and as always, it will be the fleet tankers that will always have to follow the LCS’s around.

    in reply to: Rudd Slashes Aussie Defence Goodtimes #2035421
    StevoJH
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    Alternative energy sources are, I think,
    and there is that direction which will deduce the world from crisis.
    The epoch of oil and gas monopolies will end.

    To quote Pauline Hanson “Please Explain” what the hell you are replying to so that is makes sense, and please don’t quote the whole post.

    Oh, and thirdly, whats with the sig?

    StevoJH
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    Study is a use for which one would possibly want to preserve the ship (not forever, but untill such time as no new insights can be gained without physically taking her apart).

    Let me rephrase: untill there is a clearer insight into what work was/is actually done on her (not just now, in dock, but overall), I’m not going to assume anything about her future beyond that there are different possible scenarios and that these scenarios differ in their likelihood, with some scenarios being more likely than others.

    How long do they need to study it? They’ve “only” had her for over 7 years now. Plus before that they had HMAS Melbourne, what could they have left to learn from her?

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2035705
    StevoJH
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    Look awesome together.

    Would look more awesome if the full score of eight had been built :p

    Especially if those eight were traveling in formation with 12 T45’s for the photo op…..

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2036090
    StevoJH
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    Still a useful and flexible platform…………I wonder if somebody will pick her up secondhand from the French. With a major refit of course…..:D

    Peru? 😉

    in reply to: Debate,what debate. #2037769
    StevoJH
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    I think its safe to say the CVF’s are past being cancelled. At least the first of the class. As a matter of fact the construction of both Carriers was purposely dragged out by a couple of years. As to keep more work in the UK……….

    As for the T-45 we can only hope to see a couple more. When is number six to be completed??? Maybe by time its finished funds could be found for 7 & 8???:o

    It was dragged out because the contract was placed several years after it was originally supposed to be placed, while the in service dates were not changed, The in service dates were moved back to a more reasonable time scale.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2038176
    StevoJH
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    Peru purchase two landing ships and six helicopters SH-3H via FMS

    http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fresno-lst1182_1.jpg
    http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/racine-lst-1191.jpg

    The newspaper La República reported that Peru bought by U.S. FMS (Foreign Military Sales), two combat landing ships the class “Newport” and 6 helicopters SH-3H Sea King, and 12 more engines.
    The two ships, USS Racine and USS Fresno, are preserved in Pearl Harbor since 1993, when they were disabled. They can be seen along with two other ships of the type in Google Earth and Google Maps, as seen in the image below:

    http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lsts-pearl-harbor.jpg

    http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=ar&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naval.com.br%2Fblog%2F&langpair=pt|en

    If they had held off for 3 or 4 years they could have gotten the heavily modernised Kanimbla and Manoora…..

    in reply to: RN Fighters #2038228
    StevoJH
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    Mr Jedi 😀

    The force may be with hawkdriver05, but if that plan went forward there would be blood all over the MOD (again)…
    In the 80´s, where would come the money to field conventional carriers, hornets and Hawkeyes?
    Slash the entire MRCA Tornado program?
    It would be the RAF “bomber” versus RN “carrier” all over again!

    Cheers 😉

    Thats easy, you are trading Sea Harriers for Hornets (57 FRS.1 were built in the 1980’s), the RN also doesnt have to pay for 116 F-4M in the 1970’s as well. You could probably buy 2 full sized carriers for the price of the invincibles, plus you could use the money saved from not buying phantom for a third, with Centaur, Bulwark and Hermes transitioning to ASW carrier/Commando Carrier as the new ships enter service, with Eagle being decommissioned.

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