MSR777Lincoln.
Sheltered life? Maybe. Pots of money? No, not even enough to be secure and comfortable but that makes no difference to a thread like this.
I don’t, nor ever would, presume to have any answers, let alone THE answer. I do know, however, that ranting about it on internet fora such as this one does NOTHING to improve the situation. I suspect the Government are quite happy when people apportion blame on the so called ‘benefit culture’, immigration et al. It deflects neatly from the massive and disgusting wastage that have been a part of Central Government for decades.
If you want to change things, then go and make a stand. Try for election to Parliament, you could hardly do worse than the Lib Dem candidate last week.
Regards,
kev35
I’ve no argument with any of that. I do however believe, that what one man perceives as ‘ranting’ is another guys sincerely held point of view. And isn’t that why we are all on here?
The government should derive no happiness when people apportion blame for this situation on the ‘benefit culture’. For them to do so, merely reinforces my belief that the bulk of them are cynical wasters and that they bury their heads in the sand, and despite all the rhetoric, address nothing. The bulk of people know this, and it does the image of politicians no good at all.
I did once hold a council seat in my then home town’s council, back in the late 70s. If only the pursuit of objectives for the good of the town and its people, commanded the same effort as did the generation of hot air in the council chamber. What an achievement it would have been.
MSR777But, Sky High, you know full well what the answer will be from the usual suspects.
An uncontrolled, ill-mannered and virulent diatribe about immigration.
A proposition that those of a different ethnicity should be returned to the land “from whence they came” even if they were born in the UK.
A rant about spongeing and the ‘benefit cultcha.’
A rant about the “Government”, of whichever political persuasion.
Personal attacks on anyone with a mildly opposing viewpoint to their own.
I’m sure I’ve missed a few things out.
Regards,
kev35
Lincoln, I hear your comments mentioning that you have made these points before, and I apologise for repeating them:)
kev, I’m sorry mate, and I really intend no offence, but IMO its a bit of a non starter to resort to those items that you have listed, seemingly in order to make some of us with differing views to yours appear to be being anti immigration and wanting mass deportations etc. In the days when the country was enjoying better times, they would be very valid and sacrosanct points that you make, and rightly so. I can’t say that I remember any occasion when I have personally attacked another forum member for holding a different point of view to my own, and I would frown on anyone who did. But lets leave that to one side. The landscape in this country is now a very different one to what it was only a relatively short time ago. Whatever platitudes certain individuals, both at government level, or indeed on here, may utter, the pure and simple fact is that the country is BROKE!
SH. I’m not qualified to sort out this economic mess, which is a direct result of the business practices of parasitic idiots who call themselves bankers and financial ‘wizz kids’, and I suspect that you might not be qualified either, although I’m fully ready to be corrected on that. The consequences of the decades of seeming economic and political incompetence are now very profound. As most of us are not qualified in the fields that I’ve mentioned, we are in the unfortunate situation of relying on others, purporting to be experts (politicians), who we are supposed to trust to keep this nation on an even keel. The results of that are self evident. I don’t feel that its ducking the issue to highlight the points in my original post. If we were to run our homes and businesses in this fashion, we’d be out on the streets. I get heartily sick and tired of politicians, most, but not all of which, seem to be self serving hypocrites (piggies at the trough), failing to address the blatantly obvious problems that we as a nation are facing. Its does not take the mind of Einstein to see the phenomenal waste of public money that is crucifying our country, and a great percentage of the people who live in it. This a direct result of the failure of the politicians to face up to the mess that a lot of them have been complicit in creating, along with their friends in the city.
The points that I raised in my original post, are all capable of being addressed by politicians, well those small number who have the guts, determination and real concern for the country’s wellbeing to do so. Maybe real experts in various fields, with no political flag to fly, could also be called upon to help lift the country out of this mire. IMO a major contributory factor to the state of this country, is the innate short termism and personal ‘nest feathering’ that has blighted our political system for decades. The results of our leaders repeatedly burying their heads in the sand, in the face very real, profound and obvious problems, are now obvious for all to see. What matters to the ‘ordinary joe’ in the street IS fighting others peoples wars that we will never win, it IS a perceived huge number of benefit grabbing immigrants, benefit scroungers and frauds, it IS a very real and understandable fear of the consequences of swingeing cuts in public services, and it is a fully justified sense of disgust, that those who brought us to this awful state of affairs have, after all this time, still not been held to account. A very important factor that any politician, irrespective of his party, ignores at his peril, is the one of a growing number of ordinary people, feeling totally powerless and ignored, in the face of what they perceive as a very frightening set of circumstances, not of their making. Because one day, someone might just come along and offer a perceived panacea for all those fears, and those very same people will like him. History shows, its happened before.
MSR777But, Sky High, you know full well what the answer will be from the usual suspects.
An uncontrolled, ill-mannered and virulent diatribe about immigration.
A proposition that those of a different ethnicity should be returned to the land “from whence they came” even if they were born in the UK.
A rant about spongeing and the ‘benefit cultcha.’
A rant about the “Government”, of whichever political persuasion.
Personal attacks on anyone with a mildly opposing viewpoint to their own.
I’m sure I’ve missed a few things out.
Regards,
kev35
Lincoln, I hear your comments mentioning that you have made these points before, and I apologise for repeating them:)
kev, I’m sorry mate, and I really intend no offence, but IMO its a bit of a non starter to resort to those items that you have listed, seemingly in order to make some of us with differing views to yours appear to be being anti immigration and wanting mass deportations etc. In the days when the country was enjoying better times, they would be very valid and sacrosanct points that you make, and rightly so. I can’t say that I remember any occasion when I have personally attacked another forum member for holding a different point of view to my own, and I would frown on anyone who did. But lets leave that to one side. The landscape in this country is now a very different one to what it was only a relatively short time ago. Whatever platitudes certain individuals, both at government level, or indeed on here, may utter, the pure and simple fact is that the country is BROKE!
SH. I’m not qualified to sort out this economic mess, which is a direct result of the business practices of parasitic idiots who call themselves bankers and financial ‘wizz kids’, and I suspect that you might not be qualified either, although I’m fully ready to be corrected on that. The consequences of the decades of seeming economic and political incompetence are now very profound. As most of us are not qualified in the fields that I’ve mentioned, we are in the unfortunate situation of relying on others, purporting to be experts (politicians), who we are supposed to trust to keep this nation on an even keel. The results of that are self evident. I don’t feel that its ducking the issue to highlight the points in my original post. If we were to run our homes and businesses in this fashion, we’d be out on the streets. I get heartily sick and tired of politicians, most, but not all of which, seem to be self serving hypocrites (piggies at the trough), failing to address the blatantly obvious problems that we as a nation are facing. Its does not take the mind of Einstein to see the phenomenal waste of public money that is crucifying our country, and a great percentage of the people who live in it. This a direct result of the failure of the politicians to face up to the mess that a lot of them have been complicit in creating, along with their friends in the city.
The points that I raised in my original post, are all capable of being addressed by politicians, well those small number who have the guts, determination and real concern for the country’s wellbeing to do so. Maybe real experts in various fields, with no political flag to fly, could also be called upon to help lift the country out of this mire. IMO a major contributory factor to the state of this country, is the innate short termism and personal ‘nest feathering’ that has blighted our political system for decades. The results of our leaders repeatedly burying their heads in the sand, in the face very real, profound and obvious problems, are now obvious for all to see. What matters to the ‘ordinary joe’ in the street IS fighting others peoples wars that we will never win, it IS a perceived huge number of benefit grabbing immigrants, benefit scroungers and frauds, it IS a very real and understandable fear of the consequences of swingeing cuts in public services, and it is a fully justified sense of disgust, that those who brought us to this awful state of affairs have, after all this time, still not been held to account. A very important factor that any politician, irrespective of his party, ignores at his peril, is the one of a growing number of ordinary people, feeling totally powerless and ignored, in the face of what they perceive as a very frightening set of circumstances, not of their making. Because one day, someone might just come along and offer a perceived panacea for all those fears, and those very same people will like him. History shows, its happened before.
MSR777cockerhoop, during my Stansted days, we used to see the Aviogenex 134s twice a week in summer. I can’t be sure wether they had that check on every turnround. Did they do that to your flights both ways? If not , then it may have been a check in/boarding pass problem at either end. If all other attempts to solve the discrepancy have failed, the final solution was to do the tarmac baggage ID. Tarom was an airline that used to do that for every departure, great fun for the passengers, especially when it was raining!
mrtotty, the thing that always struck me about flying on the Tu134, was the real ‘punch’ pushing you back in the seat, as the initial take off roll began, followed by a phenomenal rate of climb……oh and the noise;)
MSR777Yes, Libya is a spill over and just when Gadaffi had restored practically all ties with EU. Nobody in the EU wanted Gadaffi really to go. They didn’t want Mubarak to go either (because Egypt had a known a stable role towards Israel under Mubarak), but , it’s the new reality emerging now, where even the US can’t control certain things anymore. The involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has drained resources, weakened economies, the rapid evolution of things in north Africa took everyone by surprise. And seems this trend will continue. I don’t know if this originated from the trainning organized by the State Dept and then went out of control, but one thing is for sure. The US isn’t in its best shape. Some years ago they would have anticipated the events, would have pushed Mubarak to reforms, maybe even Gadaffi and they would have opened a “pressure valve” to let off some steam from the population.
IMO the major factor that has caught the leaders of many states off guard, is that they have failed to grasp the massive changes that have resulted in a world in which great swathes of people in a great number of countries by-pass them in communicating with each other, and organising themselves to achieve change. Ordinary people, as we have recently seen, can bring about fundamental changes without even bringing their governments into the equation, until they are helping these governments to pack their bags and showing them the way out. Where we are seeing this unrest in the Arab world, and I predict that there’s more to come, I think that we are also seeing signs that for these young, tech savvy people, the geo-political status quo that these governments have long presided over, are of secondary importance now. I often think how much earlier the collapse of Communism would have occurred, had the phenomenon of the internet and social networking sites been around a couple of decades earlier.
The genie is now well and truly out of the bottle, as certain middle eastern and other leaders now well know. Governments the world over, ‘democratic’ or dictatorships know that the game as they know it, is up, and the world order that they have so jealously guarded, now obsolete. It really is a case of adapt or die for them. This is a dire situation that these leaders now find themselves in. Personally, I think that the world landscape is in the throes of major transition, and unhappily for these governments and their ‘advisors’ its happening too quickly for their outmoded processes to handle. Supposedly powerful governments have been toppled in recent times by people who have a different vision of what they want their countries to be. The big worry for governments is that these people have the means to achieve these visions without them.
MSR777Yes, Libya is a spill over and just when Gadaffi had restored practically all ties with EU. Nobody in the EU wanted Gadaffi really to go. They didn’t want Mubarak to go either (because Egypt had a known a stable role towards Israel under Mubarak), but , it’s the new reality emerging now, where even the US can’t control certain things anymore. The involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has drained resources, weakened economies, the rapid evolution of things in north Africa took everyone by surprise. And seems this trend will continue. I don’t know if this originated from the trainning organized by the State Dept and then went out of control, but one thing is for sure. The US isn’t in its best shape. Some years ago they would have anticipated the events, would have pushed Mubarak to reforms, maybe even Gadaffi and they would have opened a “pressure valve” to let off some steam from the population.
IMO the major factor that has caught the leaders of many states off guard, is that they have failed to grasp the massive changes that have resulted in a world in which great swathes of people in a great number of countries by-pass them in communicating with each other, and organising themselves to achieve change. Ordinary people, as we have recently seen, can bring about fundamental changes without even bringing their governments into the equation, until they are helping these governments to pack their bags and showing them the way out. Where we are seeing this unrest in the Arab world, and I predict that there’s more to come, I think that we are also seeing signs that for these young, tech savvy people, the geo-political status quo that these governments have long presided over, are of secondary importance now. I often think how much earlier the collapse of Communism would have occurred, had the phenomenon of the internet and social networking sites been around a couple of decades earlier.
The genie is now well and truly out of the bottle, as certain middle eastern and other leaders now well know. Governments the world over, ‘democratic’ or dictatorships know that the game as they know it, is up, and the world order that they have so jealously guarded, now obsolete. It really is a case of adapt or die for them. This is a dire situation that these leaders now find themselves in. Personally, I think that the world landscape is in the throes of major transition, and unhappily for these governments and their ‘advisors’ its happening too quickly for their outmoded processes to handle. Supposedly powerful governments have been toppled in recent times by people who have a different vision of what they want their countries to be. The big worry for governments is that these people have the means to achieve these visions without them.
MSR777Now someone dare tell me that Caravelle isn’t beautiful!;) Nice ones darren.
MSR777Not good at all. Speculation is easy I know. It would be interesting to see wether the aircraft was subjected a type of manoeuvre outside of the aircrafts flight envelope, by an inexperienced crew. But then again, with Antonov crew members onboard, I would think that unlikely. I’m sure we’ll hear eventually, but then again with military involved, maybe we won’t.
MSR777For me it has to be flying all the way in the glass nose of a Tupolev 134.
I was lucky enough to have done that (sans beer). Back in ’81 when I was working in ABZ for an outfit called Air Ecosse. Living near CBG at the time, it was not always possible to get home for my 4 days off. On this particular occasion, I was bumped from a Dan Air flight to LGW, so I gave up the idea of getting home that week. Later that same day I went up to our offices, as there was an Aeroflot Tu134 coming in. It was bringing in trawler crew members and then positioning empty to LHR. After getting my first look inside one of these things and chatting to the crew, they offered me a lift to LHR!. The flight itself went much too fast. About 10-15 mins out from LHR I was gestured to the flight deck. I expected to be put in a ‘jump seat’ for the landing as I was for the take off…great! However I was guided towards the nose seat and strapped in for the landing of my life. The winter sun was almost down as we flew over London along the Thames, what a sight. You felt almost as if you were suspended outside the aircraft, and boy does the ground come up fast on landing when you’re sat there.
I consider myself very fortunate to have done that, and I shall always be grateful to that crew for the experience. Well, I’ve rambled long enough, but I thought it might interest a few.:)
MSR777Bring back the IL18!;)
MSR777Condolences to the crew and their families.:(
I guess that any kind of test flying carries somewhat more risk than daily airline operations. However, I hope that the cause is isolated asap. I think that the An148 has a bright future. This they don’t need. It would be interesting to know wether the Myanmar crew were flying it at the time.
MSR777Nice one Neil, thats the baby! I think that Busy Bee only had one of these, leastways according to my beloved logs. It seems to be the only one I ramped over those years. Sadly, it would appear that she is no more:(
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940308-0
MSR777Which translates as adding to the trough for all those parasitic ‘piggies’, for a very long time to come! 🙁
MSR777Which translates as adding to the trough for all those parasitic ‘piggies’, for a very long time to come! 🙁
MSR7771. The games will make money…………..for who?
2. The games will be a success……………possibly.
3. A chance for GB to show the world there is still some G in the GB….if you say so.
For negative vibes, read realism.
When the games are over, and after all the ‘organisers’ and hangars on have taken their token £10 each out of the pot, yeah right, it’ll be very interesting to see the arithmetic. When you strip away all the flags and the balloons, sadly, thats what it all come down to. Its all the ‘piggies at the trough’ behind the scenes that really wind me up. You’ll find them involved everywhere in enterprises like this, as well as in politics…Ooops, but maybe thats a topic for another thread on another day:diablo:
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