Sorry, I’m not up to date on the state of surviving Halifax AC and sections (other than the Canadian and RAFM examples).
Any chance the RAFM will be restored…or other sections joined to make a complete restored AC in the UK?
Hi,
http://www.578squadron.org.uk/halifax/survivors.html
Gives the current state of surviving & displayed Halifaxes.

MZ527 of 578 squadron beats up the Burn control tower, F/Lt “Maxir” Baer at the controls
Not a survivor today but it was a 100op Halifax.. So it did plenty of surviving in 1944/45…
Paul.
Hi,
Two prototype HP56 were ordered in April 1937, as well as two Avro type 679. As far as I am aware they only got as far as the drawing stage, a one-sixteenth scale model was commisioned but I don’t think that it was built.

By July 1937 the air ministry was aware that the Vulture engine would not be available in sufficiant quantities so priority was given to Avro and they asked Handly Page to submit a drawing with four Merlins.
The two designs were developed but as became clear that the Vulture was not going available in sufficient quantities and the HP56 was dropped, the two Prototypes L7244 & L7245 appeared as HP57 with Merlins.

Interestingly HP Never really wanted the Merlin. The Air Ministry wanted to invesigate different engine possibilities; Napier Dagger, Bristol Taurus, Bristol Hercules etc. The mid wing engine mounting suited an air cooled radial, so why was it pushed into service with the Merlin? The design really came alive when the Hercules was installed.
(diagrams from “Halifax Second to None”: Victor Bingham)
Paul.
Aerocar
How about this if you have a spare £2.5 million burning a hole in your pocket.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/……../_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318
A 1956 Aerocar.
Not military but quite an interesting thing to fly/drive…….
Paul.
Hi all,
Re: The London Pride book… There should also be a silver model to go with this book. I’m not sure who they were presented to but the last time the model was on Ebay in 2004 including the book as well the chap wanted £220!!!!
Far too steep a price for us ordinary working chaps….
The cynic in me says that it is because it is a Halifax…. If it had been Lancaster remains then they would be queueing for it!
I guess that it maybe that it is a civilian part, but it must be saved, the civilian Hailbags did an immense job during the Berlin airlift and there should be a preserved civilian halifax for that reason alone in my view!
Paul.
Hi all,
Stanley Sparkes did not fly Lancasters during the war (Why did every fighter pilot fly spits and every bomber pilot fly lancs)?
I’ve recently been in correspondance with Stanley Sparkes Son Barry in Canada, I will send you an email with his details.
Stanley Sparkes was on Halifaxes with 578 squadron based at Burn Selby. and was shot down by flak in MZ563 LK-Y on April 22nd 1944. He evaded capture with the help of the Dutch resistance and spent most of the time in a secret woodland camp with the resistance. Stanley Sparkes had quite an eventful war being a Dunkirk survivor whilst in the Army. He remustered for aircrew and was shot down in April 44.
There is a “lulu” book about the crash and about Stanley’s escape, and wartime conditions in Holland at the time written by a Dutch man (Hugh Timmerman) who witnessed the crash as a thirteen year old boy: He finally gets to meet Stanley in Canada in 2006. (http://www.lulu.com/browse/book_view.php?fCID=1230633).
Regards,
Paul.
(webmaster 578 Squadron Association: http://www.578squadron.org.uk/)
Too blumin right and it’s about time someone made ammends! It’s just a bit sad that the ground crew from the WW2 era are now probably a bit too old to start writing there memoires.
Smiler.
A member of ground crew!
Yes the folk I was with last weekend were all in their mid eighties…. a wireless mechanic, an air traffic control WAAF to name but two…. Just like their aircrew counterparts they are reluctant to say too much….. ( The WAAF said she lost too many friends, but ended up marrying a pilot)! They just want to enjoy their reunions so I do not press them too hard. Hence the fact that I wanted to read up a bit more before talking to them again.
Paul.
Thanks.. I’ve looked at the Pathe archive but not heard of the IWM one before..
Cheers,
Paul.
Certainly looks Halifax/Halton…. If the pannier found its way there what about the rest of it!!!
Two attached pics from Victor Binghams: Halifax second to none & the Warpaint Handley page Haifax books.
Its annoying to think that it has survived till the late nineties only to be chucked away.
Paul.
Hi all,
I don’t want to knock other folks research but I’m afraid that I believe that KA Merrick was wrong to say that the Reindeer Halifax was Halton G-AHDM. It was in fact a Halifax C MKVIII G-AJNW.
An easy mistake to make as they were both owned by Westminster Airways ltd.
Halton G-AHDM (PP228) Was BOAC Halton “Falmouth”. Sold to Westminster Airways on 18/11/1948. It flew 282 sorties on the Berlin airlift (176 freight, 106 tanker) returning to Blackbushe airfield when its cofA ran out on 7/5/1950. It was sold for scrap on 18/9/1950.
Halifax C MKVIII (PP296) was bought by Westminster Airways on 27/4/1949 and completed 116 tanker sorties on the Berlin airlift. It returned to its home base of Blackbushe on 26/4/1950. It was sold on for film work and used as the fictitious Reindeer aircraft (G-AFOH) and then scrapped.
The information comes from Propliner magazine No64 Autumn 1995 and I’ve cross refed it with “The Halifax File” by R.N.Roberts.
Westminster Airways had three aircraft Two Haltons (G-AHDM & G-AHDV) and the halifax (G-AJNW). With little work for the three aircraft after the Berlin Airlift they decided to cease operations and the three grounded Halis were put in the hands of a successor maintainance company “Westminster Airways Servicing LTD”. It was this organisation that modified G-AJNW to the “Reindeer” aircraft.. Following its starring role it was scrapped in December 1950.
I’m a bit of a Civilian Halifax/Halton Anorak I’m afraid… I don’t think that the good old Halifax gets the credit it deserves for its hard work during the Berlin airlift.
Regards,
Paul.
The attached images are G-AHDM langishing at Blackbushe before scrapping in 1950, and a shot of Halifax G-AJNW before it was transformed into the Reindeer.
Cheers for the endorsement, I am aware that it is still at an early stage and pretty dry and lacking in illustrations.
I basically want to make sure that I’ve got the layout and basic stuff sorted before I add more content.
I wish that I’d started this years ago, the number of veterans still with us is dwindling rapidly and with them all their stories and memories. As I started research I really became aware of what they all went through and how they had to pull together… No wonder they are still such a tight knit bunch.
My hunt is now for photos and stories, not just aircrew but from those who worked hard to keep the wheels turning, sadly there are not many folk left but I still hope to get some good tales together with the help of the association.
“So long as two or more veterans are standing at the bar 578 squadron association will continue to exist”
Surviving Sunderlands
i can remember reading that the last flying sunderland was sold to the good old usa, does anybody know how many have survived in an un-flying condition ? and where they are ?
many thanks in advance
Hi all,
The magazine “Air Enthusiast” (A Flypast Mag) had a review of the surviving Sunderland family aircraft in their Feb 2006 edition with some splendid shots of the two survivors in the US.
There are eight intact Sunderland “family” around the world.
The UK has three, France one, New Zealand two and two in the US.
Here they are:
Sandringham F-OBIP. Musee de L’air Le Bourget, France.
Sandringham VH-BRC. Solent Sky, Southampton, UK.
Solent N9946F. Western Aerospace Museam, Oakland, USA.
Solent ZK-AMO. Museam of Transport and Technology, Aukland, New Zealand.
Sunderland MR5. N814ML Fantasy of Flight, Polk City, USA.
Sunderland MR5. ML796 Imperial War Museam, Duxford, UK.
Sunderland MR5. ML824 RAF Museam, Hendon, UK.
Sunderland MR5. NZ4115 Museam of Transport and Technology, Aukland, New Zealand.
Paul.
RE: WWII aircraft
Hi all,
Only picky if a Whirlwind I could find on th eweb is at:
http://www.mkiii-design.co.uk/whirlwind.html
And thats a 3-d graphic…. Pity cos it looks a potent little jobby… its nose bristling with guns…
Cheers,
Paul.