And MALD-V.
but it not stealth , totally not the same , they may compliment the other but that doesnt make them the same thing
Debatable. A salesman trying to maximise the appeal of his product could easily claim it as such.
i mean stealth + good kinematic is very hard to make , it possible but may be super extra expensive , and if you dont know how to it may cost lot more F-22
also , i have to say Russian are much better in kinematic , they have so many working long range air to ground or anti ship supersonic missile
The only secret part is the stealth though. The F-15, which for its time was the kinematic equivalent of the F-22 was sold at will from the late ’70s onwards. I don’t think necessarily the Russians are much better at kinematics, they’ve just had more liberty with aerodynamic design on the Su-35 because it didn’t have to be stealth.
i dont quite understand what you mean here
AIR International described the EW suite as acting to maintain stealth as much as possible until active deception jamming was required.
can you give the link for that , cause if that was true that would mean F-117 was super useless ( it only carry bomb with range about 12 km ) , there wasnt anything special with Type 42’s radar compared to SAM radar of that time , in fact it’t can even track the Mirage and exocet missiles due to sea clutter
also the figure i take for SMART-L was from a book ( so very reliable source )
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4S3h8j_NEmkC&pg=PA263&lpg=PA263&dq=smart-L+stealth+missile+km&source=bl&ots=hJRyOS_ZfZ&sig=RqlhsrbEaJmGJ5A4JLFwoLFL8DA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ejn2U7nkLujZ0QXXo4Bw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=smart-L%20stealth%20missile%20km&f=false
and they only claim to detect target with RCS = 0.001 m2 from about 60 km , i really doubt that Type 42 ( or even EF-2000 ) can do better
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?129627-F-35-News-Multimedia-amp-Discussion-thread-(3)&p=2140801#post2140801
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?128354-will-stealth-become-irrelevant&p=2109855#post2109855
Ah your information on the Exocet incident is false. The missile was tracked and would have been shot down by Sea Wolf except there was another ship in the way IIRC (source: TV documentary). Also, low level clutter rejection and detection range aren’t the same thing. It’s also common for military datasheets to understate performance and for stealth to be exaggerated.
language could be mislead , but then again that can be said about any claim of any producer
True but the language here seems openly evasive. It would be very easy to simple say, “we’ve found that the F-35 has a lower radar cross-section than an F-22,” and perhaps even quote a loose percentage.
actually , if iam remember correctly , stealth is due to Shape + material ( RAM ) at VHF then RAM doesnt work well , but also Shape doesnt work due to resonant effect that why the bigger size of B-2 make it better at VHF
btw : there are many stealth destroyer
RAM doesn’t work well at VHF. That much is true. A larger shape simply increases size to wavelength ratio, which moves you back into the optical region. In the resonant region, RCS can be either higher or lower than the optical region formula suggests. The Rayleigh region is the place to be. Either way a larger aircraft isn’t particularly beneficial, it either moves you from Rayleigh to Resonant, or Resonant to Optical. Neither transition is a definite advantage and the difference between optical RCS and resonant peaks/troughs is only of the order of about 4/0.25. The only way of achieving what you want is a completely different kind of RAM, which begs the question, “why only on the B-2 and not F-22,”… or by using ionised gas.
http://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/Rayleigh-%20versus%20Mie-Scattering.en.html

i dont really understand if this have anything to do with what i said , CAMM dont have A2G mode
CAMM is due to be deployed on land, sea and air eventually. Here it mentions potential for use against surface targets:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/files/docs/flaads_june2010_press_information.pdf
It can also be used against surface targets.
Ultimately I think the way to go is an ARM version of Meteor, or maybe a JDRADM version.
XB-70.
actually SLAMRAAM-ER have range about 40 km but it a different missiles , the orign SLAMRAAM have range of only 17 km
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raytheon-goes-for-grand-slam-214940/
anyway
the reason why SAM have longer range when they are adopted to be use as AAM is due to the extra speed of aircraft when launching and the altitude ( thinner air )
however the Aim-9X range already have all these advantage , so the increase range will only due to the fact that ground target are very slow , or doesnt move at all , so missile probably dont need to maneuver
a better example probably the AIM-9B/C to AIM-122
AIM-9B/C have range about 4.8 km
AIM-122 have range about 16.5 km
so i think Aim-9X block III again ground target probably have range increase by 3.3 times
Based on the MICA VL –> MICA IR range difference, I think CAMM should be capable of about 100km A2A and maybe more A2G.
SA help stealth aircraft fight their enemy more effectively that true
but SA and Stealth is not the same , an AWACS like E-3 for example can be said to have very good SA , An Aegis destroyer can be said to have very good SA , but no one going to say there 2 are stealth , by contrast AGM-129 is stealth missiles but no one going to claim the missiles it self have good SA
SA and Stealth is very deadly together but they are not the same
All part of the same thing. SA allows you to plan routes away from hot-spots, and gives you a better heads-up of enemies and allows quicker targeting, all of which reduce chances of your detection until it’s too late.
probably built a stealth fighter with bad kinematic ( F-35 ) or built a fighter with good kinematic but bad stealth ( mig-31 ) is alot easier to built sth that have both ( f-22 )
Actually stealth is the only hard part. Most western nations and many others are already well versed in propulsion and aerodynamics.
no it doesnt , it may be able to use APG-81 as a jammer , but never read any where that the fighter itself have active cancellation
AIR International’s F-35 special made a clear distinction between that and active deception jamming, when the above is no longer possible.
Captor-E is about smae size as APG-81 , probably 10 – 15 percent bigger , which still far smaller than IRBIS-E or Zaslon-M
and no way it can match the S-300/400’s common radar : 64N6E Big Bird
or SMART-L which better in both size and power and only claim to detect stealth missiles with RCS = 0.001 m2 from 64 km
No one said it could. I’m merely quoting an EADS radar expert. I suspect the above ranges are underestimates and take no account frequency. It’s well known that a Type 42 destroyer could track F-117s (RCS of 0.0025m^2) out to 150km, that would imply tracking 0.001m^2 targets at 120km with ’90s ship radar. I suspect stuff like TRS-4D and Artisan will be streets ahead of that, Russian stuff too I imagine.
he did say F-35 is more stealth and designed to beat S-400 system which is really something
Well the F-35 team failed to meet every other design parameter, so when they come along at the eleventh hour with vague statements in an attempt to mislead people into believing one was exceeded by an entire order of magnitude, naturally I question it. The language used is evasive. E.g. if I say, “the F-5 has a smaller cross-section than an F-35,” given my exact choice of words, am I lying? Not technically, but if the conversation was about stealth, then I’ve certainly mislead people. Stealth could also be assumed to be about EO/IR, so if I have a smaller, less powerful aircraft, maybe it’s harder to see in these regions, so I could say that it does stealth better and not be lying and say that it has a smaller cross section and not be lying.
as far as i know only Russian ever claim to experiment with plasma stealth and the result doesnt end well that why they designed the PAK-FA now
if plasma stealth was working dont you think all aircraft carrier and Destroyer will have it , they are bigger and have more power than any fighter or bomber but no even the Zumwalt class you old method to achieve low RCS
if iam not wrong i did read somewhere that B-2 relative big size make it less vulnerable to VHF band ( dont remember why may be thicker RAM )
Aircraft carriers and destroyers don’t have boundary layers or shapes that can exploit it. Some detail was released about charged wing trailing edges on the B-2, it was quickly withdrawn, followed by standard ink poisoning tactics. E.g. rumours were disseminated saying it was about disguising the vortices and other rumours about electrogravitics. The last one was just a supertroll of the dumb really. Extra size would only help if the VHF problems experienced by stealth fighters were down to resonant effects. They aren’t, it’s just that the RAM doesn’t work that well outside that 3-20GHz band, nor does the ground wave effect.
RIM-66A range= 32 km the air to ground version of it: AGM-78 Range= 90 km so from GtA to AtG the range increase by about 3 times
MICA VL – 20km. MICA IR/EM – 80km. SLAMRAAM – 33km (AIM-120C-7???). AIM-120C-7 – 120km.
You have to be careful you’re comparing apples to apples:
RIM-66 is a different length (warhead may be lighter too if same as RIM-67):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-78_Standard_ARM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-66_Standard
f-35 have stealth + SA but F-22 have stealth+SA + kinematic , and F-22 probably a much better interceptor due to it’s speed , and USAF dont want that ?
passive detection is part of SA , and it not the same as Stealth, Active cancellation , plasma stealth are not going to happened , not in near future
anyway he also said
“F-35 is the first US aircraft designed to the requirement that it be highly effective at neutralizing S-400 systems and their cousins“
so i dont really think EF-2000 tiny radar going to do much again it’s RCS
probably have sth to do with clutter rejection threshold
It could very much be argued that SA is part of stealth. A better knowledge of what’s going on around you allows you to remain stealthy, remember the F-117 and SA-3. Decent stealth + poor SA = No stealth.
With allegedly superior stealth technology another nation could easily use the F-35 to build a fighter that’s as kinematically good as the F-22. F-22 kinematics are good but not ‘special’ good, like its stealth is. The kinematics are far more easy to duplicate. The F-35 does use active cancellation AFAIK.
An S-400 depends on what radar you put with it. VHF AESA has been alleged to exist and that presents problems in that it offers targeting as well as detection.
The not so tiny Captor-E is actually very good. You will note that Mike Hostage never specifically said, “the F-35 has a smaller radar cross section.” He can’t because then he’d be lying, which is harder than simply misleading. Until he says, ‘smaller radar cross section,’ it’s just more headlining.
not necessary B-2 is better again VHF , low frequency and it bigger than both
B-2, as a larger aircraft, has more electrical power and is widely believed to use plasma stealth. That’s basically the only way you can hide something that large. Think about it. It came out in 1992. If it was effectively much better than the F-22 relative to size, why didn’t the F-22 use the same technology? Answer – it can’t because it’s too small and doesn’t have enough power to run it.
Shame about Concorde.
When did russians bomd ukrainian cities?
Never, it’s just another example of western media spin. I see both sides lying or at least deliberately missing the other half of the truth. RT coverage of the Ferguson riots has been a little disingenuous at times but then western media all but stopped covering the Ukrainian crisis after February. Only MH17 and the aid lorries got coverage, and of course they didn’t mention that the lorries were inspected by the Red Cross, and many of them made out they were military vehicles and could be carrying weapons.
F-35 are first declared to have frontal RCS of a golf ball , about 0.0015 m2 , F-22 are declared to have frontal RCS of a marble , about 0.0001 m2
and that what the Captor-E claims detection based on
However
interview recently with gen Mike Hostage show thatso it really likely that F-35 RCS is closer or even lower than 0.0001 m2 ( better than F-22 ) probably due to improvement in material
also detection range of fighter radar here probably based on a low volume cued search
That’s always been a dubious statement. What does it include as ‘stealth’? E.g. Active cancellation, passive detection, better SA? Yes it has a smaller ‘cross-section’ but it doesn’t specifically say ‘radar cross section’. It’s someone being far too clever with words for their own good IMO. If it were truly more stealthy, why is the F-22 not for export?
EDIT: It is interesting in that he mentions cross section without the radar pre-fix in relation to low frequency radar, because it may be that the smaller physical cross section does make it better against VHF, when the usual RAM effect breaks down.
Since when did the 9x become a SEAD weapon?
It allegedly does have A2G capability in the AIM-9X-2.
CAMM/FLAADS (M/L/A) is also due to have a surface attack capability.
http://www.mbda-systems.com/files/docs/flaads_june2010_press_information.pdf
FLAADS(M) provides a true 360° air defence capability for naval forces out to ranges
greater than 25km against the future air threat. Requiring no dedicated
tracker/illuminator radars, CAMM can be cued by ship target indication data to provide
high levels of protection in open ocean and littoral environments. It can also be used
against surface targets.
Rough rule of thumb says that when you move a SAM to A2A role, you multiply max. range by about 4. What that means for A2G I don’t know.
I thought the F-35 was nearer 0.001m^2.
Captor-E claims detection at 59km:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/205_97236.html
So I’m pretty sure ship radar will reach out a lot further. The initial post also doesn’t allow for the affect of VHF frequencies and the like.
Well yes, i think calling Putin a child murderer for the downing of this passenger a/c is equally idiotic
Meanwhile 10 times as many civilians have been killed in Eastern Ukraine and 10 times that again have been displaced and not a word on it from Western sources. The targeting in question was deliberate, or at least sufficiently indiscriminate and inaccurate for them to have known the consequences in advance. War crime vs accident.