Your point being what exactly? (Without going into the usefulness – or lack of – of a “war crime” designation), I hope you’re not saying that this should not be a war crime then and thus instead of fixing one injustice, we should introduce more of them?

If you’re not trying to say this, then it makes no sense to bring the comparison up in the first place..

Don’t be an idiot. It’s not a war crime, fact. It’s a terrible accident that could in fact be written up more accurately as corporate manslaughter at a push.

Do you bother to open links I provide?:confused:

I looked through them and there’s absolutely no smoking gun. The street pictures that show SAMs “somewhere”, the satellite images show nothing. I was expecting to see footage of a missile taking off or something. The alleged training camp has nothing to differentiate it from a retail park to be honest. It’s amazing how much more power and influence evidence has, until you actually show it, at which point it fades to reality.

That link proves my point:

The time stamp issue is explained at following link. Nothing to fix other than the mindset of some die-hard conspiracy loons who know exactly how to spin metadata.

Link proves my point.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-mh17-video-timestamped-before-the-crash-and-other-timeline-issues.3988/#post-117529[/QUOTE]

Hence the error is in YouTube’s conversion process.

Why not just fix the broken conversion process rather than calling people conspiracy theorists for looking at a date which they got wrong and drawing the logical conclusion.

Civilians got caught in the line of fire, i think that has happened in every conflict throughout history,
the one to blame is the one that didnt re-direct flight route at the risk of medium/high alt SAM

You’ve got to love the way that deliberately firing into places where you know there are civilians is okay, if they’re on the ground, but accidentally targeting a civilian airliner that you didn’t even know was there is a war crime.

We know that the plane must have broke up in flight because passengers were falling out, so it must have been a very close proximity burst.

U.S. discloses intelligence on downing of Malaysian jet
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-discloses-intelligence-on-downing-of-malaysian-jet/2014/07/22/b178fe58-11e1-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html?hpid=z1

I can see everything too clearly, could they please blur it a bit more?

Probably warhead explosion occurred before the aircraft. Shards entered to the front of the cockpit, went out – behind the cab.
The R-60 Su-25 could not cause such widespread damage.

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What piece are you matching up there? Do you have the original photo of the piece on its own and the link?

Lukos, don’t be dense. Support beams are not on the outside of the aircraft.

The piece has literally been turned inside out.

True LOL. And the unpainted side isn’t on the outside either. The curvature fooled me.

The smaller shrapnel pattern is still interesting though.

The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum if they think Alex Jones is a rational and reasonable source to quote in any debate

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Jones

The lunatics have been running teh asylum for quite some time.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/europe/jet-wreckage-bears-signs-of-impact-by-supersonic-missile-analysis-shows.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&referrer=

A piece of wreckage from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 that was shot down in eastern Ukraine last week bears telltale marks of small pieces of high-velocity shrapnel that apparently crippled the jet in flight. Riddled with these perforations and buffeted by a blast wave as it flew high above the conflict zone, the plane then most likely sheared apart.

They do actually appear more like bullet holes and seem to go in to out, with one side (yellow part) unscathed and a smaller shrapnel pattern at the rear on the white surface. Very strange.

SAAB pulls out of Denmark F-16 replacement competition – sees requirement as being rigged in favour of F-35.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/sweden-drops-out-denmark-fighter-competition

Given that Eurofighter withdrew from the Norwegian F-16 replacement competition because they saw it as rigged in favour of F-35, when can we expect them to withdraw from this one, too?

I guess it’s a bit like the EADS bid that was rejected for not providing 15 two seaters. Anyone seen a 2-seat F-35?

I guess the real reason is that requirements are poorly written, often deliberately. Really, they want a stealth aircraft, but it they just come out and say that, then they lose competitors and the price inflates.

I think defence contractors should adopt the policy of, “you want me to bid, pay me to bid,” in situations like this. “I’ll do it for zero profit, but I’m not putting myself out of pocket.”

Some are worse than pitiful. The cartoons that Paralay displayed in his posting #275 show a sickening disregard for the hundreds of people who lost their lives in the incidents depicted.

And what about the US government’s claim that they have proof rebels launched the SAM, whilst refusing to show that proof? Not to mention Colin Powell’s sandcastles of mass destruction before the Iraq invasion.

Simple graphics, even that you don’t understand??

That graphic does NOT show the flightpath, it shows the frequency of said airlines flying through that airspace in the past week before the incident!!!!

All the numbers seem to be drawn along a line below the flight path. Crappy diagram if that’s what it’s trying to show. MH17 passed North of Donetsk not South of it.