AssassinsMace posted the following @ SDF

Looks like a VL-Shtil:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Hyperwarp/Hobbies/Military/PRC/Missiles%20-%20Munitions/unknown/HQ-16/91a24b6690bc44a7b21b451ev5.jpg

If Russians produce $100m MIG-29 just like EF price . It will be flying in Space. u will need space suits to operate it.Practically unlimited upgrade potential. u cannot compare limited fighter EF with MIG-29. Thats Why MIG-29 got AESA/TVC twin IRST but not EF.

Wow… star….hats off to you…

Your professionalism, expertise, knowledge is simply unparalleled!

I worship you….

As much as I would like the EF doing Herbst-manouvers on a regular basis, I think we should spend taxpayer money on more important things.
Have a look at the X-31, which shares the aerodynamical layout of the EF. Guess this gives an impression, what would be possible with the ITP nozzles.
BUT, as I already wrote, there are more important things to finance.
Get the British and Italians to sign up for T3 including some goodies as AESA, Meteor and increased internal fuel capacity.

http://typhoon.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/engines.html

3D TVC nozzles were tested back in 1998. Seems to be a question of cost.

Since rig trials commenced in 1998 the TVC equipped EJ200-01A has run for 80 hours (February 2000) of which 15 hours were at full reheat (including sustained five minute burns) during 85 runs. These trials have included over 6700 vectoring movements at the most severe throttle setting and 600 throttling cycles under the most demanding vectoring conditions. These trials demonstrated full, 360° deflection angles of 23.5° with a slew rate (the rate at which the nozzle can be directed) of 110°/s and a side force generation of some 20kN (equal to approximately to one third of the total EJ200 baseline output). These vectoring trials have included both programmed ramp movements and active joystick control. The studies have also verified the MTU developed DECU (Digital Engine Control Unit) software and FCS connections.

ITP have suggested that a Eurofighter fitted with the nozzle will benefit in a number of areas including; reduced after body drag (through tighter nozzle shape control), an estimated 7% improvement in installed thrust for the supersonic cruise regime (M1.2 non-reheat at 35000ft) and a 2% improvement in maximum take-off thrust.

What the….

flag waving? :confused: propaganda? :confused:

not the place for propaganda eh? :rolleyes: wow… ummm ok…

Well the issue could be because this is the MMA and Shenzhou program is technically a civilian program…..

so if that is the case clearly say so, instead of using comments like “flag waving” and “propaganda”? Could have worded the thing a bit more professionally…..

But the “This is no place for propaganda” was baffling….. considering plenty of outrages “oracle” threads/posts in this forum. The Shenzhou VII space walk is a rare event. May not be the 1st buy a long shot, but it is PRC’s 1st and it is rare.

yeah…. sooo… I guess technically a civilian space program does not belong MMA

but, again… very selective finger pointing……:rolleyes:

Hyperwarp, here is an article by Prasun Sengupta on SLAF getting MiG-29SEs and Mi-35Ms..according to him, SLAF also wants the IAF to upgrade its Kfir with the Israeli Elta E-2032 and its Mi-25s too..blelieve it at your own peril though..:)

The specs sound like almost as good as the MiG-29K for less than half the price (Zhuk-ME, RD-33-series3)..a little fishy, but I’d guess he’s gotten it wrong somewhere.

anyway, what would the SLAF need R-27ERs and R-27ETs to deal with Zlins, the R-73Es are more than enough so the MiG-29s can get in close, ID them and then shoot them down.. And KAB-500 Kr’s are tv-guided bombs, not laser guided, so he’s mixed up KAB-500Ls and KAB-500Kr.

Loof is gona have a field day…