Based on ‘now-year’ flyaway prices. We know the Rafale’s flyaway cost from the Indian deal

No you don’t. You know flyaway cost from Senate numbers. Compare apples to apples please. I already linked them to you several times.

Btw Rafale is finishing to qualify BLU (JDAM). JASSM was finally delivered to Finland?

Still, it will be almost impossible to sell Rafale in Finland.

The cost of Rafale will be comparable to F-35, but F-35 will be much more capable; then there is also the political benefit of choosing a US brand.

Rafale lost to Gripen E both in Switzerland and Brazil, partly due to much higher cost. If the F-35 is too expensive for Finland, then so will Rafale be too expensive. They are roughly in the same price range — or perhaps F-35 will even be cheaper than the Rafale.

It entirely depends on Finnish needs and politically i am not sure that Finland wish to buy F-35 atm. And i have strong doubts against same price range. Same for much more capable, still need a clue. Atm it is just PR…

arent they trying to sell it for rafales

This was rumoured. Atm they are perfectly satisfied with it. See which planes were sent to Erythrea? Lybia? M2K.

Totally OT there, Byoin. Please stop thread crapping

Ponder this for a minute…

Mirage F.1 skipped for a twin-engine platform with souped up Adour motors. Twin engine Mirage F.1 could have been scaled up to replace Mirage 2K. The Rafale would have been a more natural evolution. Rather than push for larger single engine fighters, push for twins and scale up the motors a little bit. Sepecat Jaguar would have augmented both production lines.

And the Super Etendard with twin dry-only Adour would have been relatively little change in performance. But, being smaller had advantage in the tight confines of an aircraft carrier.

Mirage 50 sales were so minor that it wouldn’t have been out of the realm of possibility that Sepecat Jaguar sales actually improve. And don’t forget Hawk trainer sales augment your Super Etendard sales.

Plus, because the Adour is so much simpler, costs scale down with all the different designs sharing a common core.

M53 Mirage F1 was proposed to europeans.

Mirage 2000 is gone, Rafale replaced it. There is no truly up-to-date M2k flying today

. You should say that to emirati pilots on their 2000-9…

Not much has been published, but Hornet was a clear winner performance-wise, and second-cheapest after F-16.

After Finland specified in their RFP they wanted a single engine fighter, no?

block 40 and 50.

at block 60, it starts competing more with the Rafale.

that said, Mspherical made a good point.
The existence of the Rafale made future upgrades to the M2k (to match the newest F-16s and Fulcrums) unneeded.

Come to think of it. Dassault is interesting in that they made both a dedicated 4th gen airframe and a 4.5 gen airframe.
I can see the Brits and Germans needing Typhoon since they never made their own 4th gen multi-role aircraft, but France was ahead of the game.
I like Rafale by itself, but when looking at the overall timeline.. would much rather France stuck to M2k (maybe M4k).. buying American for their carriers. and then producing a true 5th gen airframe. OR.. stick with the F.1 longer until the 2000s, then go Rafale, and skip M2k.

oh wells. c’est lavie

According to an english exchange pilot, M2K (RDI, not RDY) was superior to F-16 till block 50.

would you take the M2K5 over the F-16C and MiG-29UPG?

F16C block?