Neither do France, we have official quotes (2 posts above, from your very link). bogus calculation my ass. Rafale is way cheaper to operate, end of the story.
It is fully sourced (CFPH in Lybia). https://vanguardcanada.com/2013/09/11/mission-satisfaction-rafale-offers-proven-capability/
14000 euros sry, not dollars. Still…more or less half of F-35 (not to mention during that war Rafale M flew up to 35 hours/week….
From your very source :
The most recent figures, from 2013-2014, put the acquisition cost per Rafale at €74 million (Rs 566 crore/Rs 5.66 billion) for the Rafale B (twin-seat version); €68.8 million (Rs 527 crore/Rs 5.27 billion) for the Rafale C (single-seat version); and €79 million (Rs 605 crore/Rs 6.05 billion) for the Rafale M (aircraft carrier version).
69 million euros for Rafale C. (77 million $)
More expensive for exports, yes. Why?
Licences etc costs. (export costs generally speaking)
Industrials payed for 25% of the development program cost. Upon to themselves to charge these 25% on export orders.
Basically, NO. Rafale is cheaper than F-35
Not to mention CFPH during Libya operations : 13000 $…
Except that internal prices for countries like France do not contain the subsidy amounts. This was made evident when India reported on the cost breakdown of the Rafale where the plane itself was $110 mil, before a mysterious $50 mil “India customization” markup and did not include any support, parts or weapons.
There is nothing such a s any subsidy in Rafale program. Indian exact cost repartition is not known. Just suppositions. Nothing solid. Exactly like your excel sheet graph, i can see different numbers about cpfh in every report from GAO etc.25000$ or less (depending on how it is computed) do not mean a lot as hard values. Everyone is complaining about elevated costs indluding DoD.
Really, the facts are today the price of the F-35 is lower than most 4.5 Generation Fighters. This while being “VASTLY” more capable. That is just the “COLD HARD TRUTH”. If, you care to believe it or not….
The “Critics” like yourself have been wrong since day one. So, your prejudice and bias is hardly surprising. :rolleyes:
Except that NO it is not cheaper, this is plain and simple convoluted fantasm from export chewed and twisted numbers. Off the shelf prices for building countries are documented. Finally, “vastly” is well… An opinion, nothing more. Not to talk about astronomic CFPH…
Dassault did play well on the “make in india” part. Front parts of Falcon are produced from Nagpur, and a much bigger building is being built.
How to build confidence in a partner…
Do anyone know the lauch envelope of an AMRAAM by F-35 (altitude, speed, AoA, Gs etc.)?
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That’s what they tried to iron out in Aix la Chapelle treaty.
No one said Flynn isn’t qualified or not credible. But since he works for LM he would tend to only present the positive aspects of the F-35. Just because he’s qualified and knowledgeable doesn’t mean he’s unbiased. Are you not intelligent enough to know the fallacy of appealing to authority?
For once i will disagree. As Scooter is citing Flynn, giving Flynn records isn’t wrong imho.
Given that ONE former head etc. Isn’t related at all. LM is simply molesting Germany.
US heavily pressuring Germany…
https://www.ft.com/content/4b56e040-6993-11e9-80c7-60ee53e6681d
Germany’s F-35 fighter rebuff raises questions for Nato partners
Lockheed Martin’s Europe chief warns ‘retrograde step’ imperils defence co-operation
“Germany’s decision not to buy the F-35 stealth fighter jet is a “retrograde step” that could hamper the country’s ability to operate at the same level as its Nato partners, according to the European head of Lockheed Martin, which manufactures the aircraft.
Jonathan Hoyle, vice-president for Europe at the US defence group, said the German decision in January to exclude the F-35 from further consideration to replace its ageing Tornado fleet had caught a lot of governments “on the hop”. The German defence ministry said at the time it had decided to acquire either more Eurofighters from Airbus, the European group, or Boeing-made F-18s.
…(…)…
Europe remains a key growth area for Lockheed, added Mr Hoyle, notably Poland, which will become a regional hub for the group. Poland has pledged to spend 2 per cent of its strongly growing gross domestic product each year on defence as part of a 10-year modernisation plan outlined in 2013.”
No. They are ok with present thrust. you know how it works. Cited thrust is made at sea level, 25°C etc. Not always representative of engine behaviour in many different conditions. It seems that the Aux was modernized (rubis3) for high altitude, otherwise i’m not aware of any change made to the engine (apart from FADEC)
No.
Tarets are also fleetwide no?