In this case it seems me they keep on using their usual trick of comparing the F-35 to their own legacy aircraft i.e. items introduced in service in the late eighties and that, almost in USAF case were last acquired during Bush senior presidency.
So they can sell as out-of this world innovation some things that others (i.e. We and Russian) has used for some decades now, like IRST or off-boresight missiles.
Let’s add also the habit to take for granted some features that has still a long way to be developed or hasn’t still proved their practical utility, see x-ray vision and generally DAS.
Inthis case F-35 is really innovative for USAF but only because it finally features (at the greatest technological level possible, I eagerly concede) some capabilities that have not been implemented at all in the meanwhile they were all focused/fixated on getting just the maximum stealth level possible.
something like this?
For diaporama explaining simbology please visit http://www.portail-aviation.com/2015/07/exclusif-a-la-decouverte-de-la-situation-tactique-du-rafale-sitac.html
[QUOTE=mig-31bm;2239777]the graph and comparison is from Rafale themselves, not from competitors , it was anti air mission radius , with 3 large fuel tanks and 6 aam, what you are trying to tell me is that Dassault purposely reduced their range by 200 nm while keeping competitors ( Ex Boeing) range the same? ( if they are so confident why they cut off 1 EFT from Gripen NG then?) , or are you trying to tell me Rafale suddenly become more aerodynamic when it carry extra AASM that it will have 200 nm bonus range?
Nevertheless, we see what the effect on Gripen NG combat radius with one of it’s EFT cut off, what if we strip it off all the EFTs so that it have the Wing loading, T/W , supercruise speed and RCS that we often used to compare with F-35? how much (%) internal fuel that F-35 will need to carry to match Rafale, Gripen, Typhoon or F-18E/F range ( if all of them carry 100% internal fuel and no EFT? ) what would be their respective T/W, wingloading then?[/QUOTE
The first graph isn’t from Dasault but from Defesanet test pilot.
the data from boeing and LM actually similar ( if you look at F-18 range, LM is about 10 nm generous to the F-18 there) , it safe to assumed they used the same mission profile
in that same mission profile the Rafale have 896 nautical miles range, F-18/A have 816 nautical miles range, F-35 have 751 nautical miles range, Eurofighter have 747 nautical miles range, Su-30MKI have 728 nautical miles range, Gripen have 502 nautical miles range
, all but the F-35 and su-30 were carry 3 EFT ( remember that F-35 in comparison have end-of-life engine performance with 5 percent degradation in fuel economy and 2 percent in thrust.)
mission profile, combat time, loiter time
just type defesanet rafale range (independent testers) you may find some interesting images. Fed up posting them.
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