Neither did red missiles…
This hread was humorisic, its getting painful.

I think you just did. 😀

Look i only quoted ppl :rolleyes:

Dassault will do what they normally do like with Tornado and Typhoon. Join the programme, demand their high percentage of share, take what they need and ****** off and manufacture their own aircraft.

Okay, I’ll get my coat, gents! :diablo:

In all seriousness, this is a little while off.

Thanks for the images, Aereo.

Better get an armoured coat :diablo:

For a different perspective may I suggest that both Hopsalot and Msphere read my latest post in the F-35 debate thread — perhaps you could also consider moving your discussion there since that is actually the F-35 thread?

On a related note, does anybody know what the 3.3 billion USD package for 22 Gripen E to Switzerland actually contains? I try to somehow compare it to what Norway pays for the F-35 but it’s difficult without knowing what the package contains.

+1

I don’t think it’s worth the time let alone effort to debate whether the Rafale will replace existing types in AG roles and others or not. It will, that’s the plan being pursuit and there is no plan B other than introducing UCAVs at some point in time which might take their share. That airdefence is stated in the first position proves absolutely nothing and is most likely just coincidence and not intentional to “highlight” priorities. And I believe our French collegues here might be able to point you to the right source stating that 3 out of 5 major operational requirements were related to AG, while the other 2 were related to AA. Given the number of platforms the Rafale replaces and taking their roles into account it’s save to conclude that AG was a greater priority, albeit they didn’t sacrifice much of AA capability to achieve this, thanks to a smart design benefiting from advanced technologies. The Typhoon is undeniably more leaned towards AA in comparison from a requirements and actual development perspective, but from a design perspective there isn’t too much of a difference as far as balance is concerned. The Typhoon trades the ability for heavy weapons carriage plus significant fuel carriage, for conformal carriage of AAMs and basically excellent payload capabilities for AA and lighter AG/AA weapon mixes. Rafale trades conformal AA carriage and AA loadout to a lesser extend for an arrangement that allows for the carriage of multiple large stores including large drop tanks plus heavy weapons and it trades a more powerful radar for sufficient downwards visbility for carrier operations. Other than these factors there isn’t anything particularly critical that makes a real difference to balance and that could be considered as a design inherent limitation. Overall I tend to give the Rafale a slight edge in balance, but the difference isn’t that significant from a pure design perspective, at least IMHO.

just my 2ct

As usual a wise 2cts

Olà. Que tal?

What is said on tweeter between pilots and engineers…

Troublemaker Lascar ‏@SeadSpeed 9 Mars
Rafale: The nightmare of Typhoon, F22, F18, F16s and more… Guess which gives the others a rough ride ? http://airforces.fr/2009/12/20/rafale-vs-typhooneurofighter/ … #MMRCA
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Paolo Nurra ‏@PaoloNurra 9 Mars
@SeadSpeed Rafale is a Good fighter but this figures looks marketing oriented and by French source
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Troublemaker Lascar ‏@SeadSpeed 9 Mars
@PaoloNurra A great Russian propaganda ! http://ow.ly/iBCLg
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Paolo Nurra ‏@PaoloNurra 9 Mars
@SeadSpeed Yes but in India and China they are respected suppliers
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Troublemaker Lascar ‏@SeadSpeed 9 Mars
@PaoloNurra An Airbus A340 is more stealth than a SU35 ! 😀
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pietro nurra ‏@pietro_nurra 9 Mars
@SeadSpeed @PaoloNurra stealtiness is useless with low freq radars, irst, passive radars + sensor fusion, better jamming & networking
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Troublemaker Lascar
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@pietro_nurra I agree

You can achieve low reflection (<10% of incoming energy) with CFRP if you use cyanate ester matrices instead of the bismaleimide used in F-22 or Typhoon.

It’s a bit more expensive and has a slightly lower heat resistance though (+ it requires a very, very clean manufacturing process).

You mean like… Rafale or F35?