Skaff: When we designed the cockpit, we started with a design philosophy called “return the pilot to the role of tactician.” And the reason we did that was because while the F-16 I flew and the F-15 and the Gripen the Rafale, are all good airplanes, managing their sensors overloads the pilot.
Rather than doing tactical things, the pilot spends his time controlling and tilting radars. So we said, “We’ve got to get away from that. We’ve got to return this pilot to the role of tactician and let advanced processors and fusion do the kinds of things that they can do really well that just burden the pilot.”
In other words, let computers do what computers do best and let pilots do what pilots do best.
Computers can do algorithmic functions extremely well and fast. Pilots do heuristic ‘thinking’ very well, but only when they have time to do it. We’ve got to return time to the pilot.”
And so with that philosophy, we wanted to make sure that the airplane gave the pilot situational awareness and a manageable workload.
Did you simply have a look at tactical representations in eurocanards?
Like i said, a report based on a leaked official report. The point here is “things not performing as they should” is a NORM @ this stage of testing (if historical programs are anything to go by) rather then exceptions.
Agree, but point is this stage is rather late, many planes are already produced (and at which cost!)
Hmmm…
no intent to troll (i do like gripen), but flight control did fail didnt it?
Look, there is not only a pogo report… If you look inside, there is an official report pdf beside.
I’m not meaning F35 is crap.
Its industrial process model is.
Lockeed PRs…
Interesting article about Lockedd PR methods on swiss site :
http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=11420
Lockheed’s PR efforts no doubt help protect the Joint Strike Fighter. As Bunting’s story shows, those efforts run deep, reaching into unlikely dens of state politics, far outside the Pentagon or the Capitol, and the obscure warrens of the internet. Piecing together the endorsement requests, government lobbying, donations and pro-F-35 blogs helps explain how the much-criticized F-35 stays flying.
Budget deficit 8.5% of GDP. Debt rising fast, both government & overall. Exports down, imports up.
Thanx, i stand corrected.;)
Or how to recycle one year old news…
I disagree, they can afford whatever they want to as they have largest oil resources worldwide….
I love the “Quebec lobby” part, what did they obtain yet?
Apart from that, if canada is in urgent need of fighters, both eurocanards are way safer options then F35. F18 SH is another option. Depending on Canada needs…
IMHO, if u need stop gap, F18 SH is perfect (or Emirati m2k-9 :dev2:). If you want to participate to “world game”, as your governments recently showed… Rafale is best option. If you want purely defend your airspace, Typhoon is probably the best option…Or F15 SE
But what the heck is doing F35 in Canada? (apart of political dependency towards US). It will be in the end an awesome plane, but short legged and originally strikes oriented.
Its almost impossible to congregate such a table, each country uses his own metrics and even then, its normal for diferent dpts/ministeries to use diferent numbers between them (think of the US GAO/Pentagon).
The only way to get such information its to create a very specific set of specifications and them sending them to the manufacturers and reading the answers, in another words, if you have worked for the Indian MOD, specificaly evaluating the answers to the MMRCA RFP, you shall have a very precise idea.
On the public domain, probably the best work out there is the table from Jane´s, but dont read it like “gospel”, it´s useful to a have a generall idea, nothing else, nothing more.
Numbers from french senate …
Rafale Armée de l’Air : 10000 euros
Marine 7000 euros.
But those are projected costs from previous data
http://www.senat.fr/rap/r07-352/r07-35210.html
But Rafale is out of topic isnt it?
Different priorities, requirements. Apples & Oranges…
Besides, you don’t seem to know whats going on with the likes of Typhoon at the moment.
Updates to block 5… (with tdifferent contents)
C’mon EElighting, i’m sure you can type Rafale, do an effort… 🙂 (upgrades of early blocks to F3-04T)
Is there somewhere an acurate/reliable table or study stating the OPERATIONAL COSTS PER HOUR of the Gripen/Rafale/Eurofighter/SuperHornet, etc…
I have seen several versions and don’t really know what to think:confused:
Thanks in advance if anyone can help.
It is somewhat because it is very difficult to calculate, as none opearte them in the same conditions etc. Good example is Rafale : Marine Nationale quoted 9000/hour, way more for airforce. But noone knows exactly why.
Calling anything infamous wont change the fact that Swiss army didnt want of Gripen.
And that Conseil des Etats just refused few days ago to finance it…
Dont be pessimistic Tu22
F35 only need fixes on airframe (cracks) engine (cracks + cold weather probs), radar (doesnt work properly, see report above), arrest hook, RAM coating (peels), HMSD (blurs), … List is too long for a single post.
Then to integrate software (hardest part probably)
Everything is going fine.
In the meanwhile, it is already the most deadly fighter ever built : it killed at least half of European fighter projects (who dares if they are allied)
The Gripen covered by Swiss evaluation was the MS18.
Nope MS 19 in 2009 and later (or am i missing something?).
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1868256&postcount=643