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  • in reply to: 2017 F-35 news and discussion thread #2184874
    halloweene
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    Tbh, there is a nice cpntrolled “spin”

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2185057
    halloweene
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    I’m not the one that claimed something.

    http://www.senat.fr/rap/a13-158-8/a13-158-814.html

    in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2185099
    halloweene
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    JSR are you kidding? Russia is an economical dwarf when compared to EU.

    in reply to: SAAB Gripen and Gripen NG thread #4 #2185129
    halloweene
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    Will be sunday afternoon at the SAFF dinner; Any specific question?

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2185132
    halloweene
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    Again, no. Check Senat numbers 😉

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2185142
    halloweene
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    Even i got his point ;). Don’t worry swerve, he is just teasing me.

    in reply to: Low Level…… #2189802
    halloweene
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    Did i already post that one?
    From Chad with love, Mirage F1 “starwars” video. The incredible part about Mirage F1 is how you could fly so many spare parts alltogether… Nice to see again Tibesti and good old Rocher Elephant

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2189806
    halloweene
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    Eager to see Turbo findings :D. But you allways intended to be strict on cost perimeter, no? So compare what is comparable : USA and french domestic recurrent costs. could you link me the cost analysis of CPFH? Dubious with 20% more than F16, or are we talking about 30 years old F-16? TY.

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2189823
    halloweene
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    Still waiting for Turbo ;). FMS sales are very specific, aswell as export. Find me a way to honestly compare, a cost perimeter. F-35 prodution is rampig up thats true, in percentage i dunno (Rafale prod is doubling). The smaller are the batches, the more ramping up will affect cost, am i wrong? Israel was a parter and paid for development, Japan aswell (+ assembly line). Is Korea still ordering the scheduled number of planes?

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2189907
    halloweene
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    So basically, you are accusing them to lie and to secretely subsidize… Again, why puting “senate” between brackets (they are less legit to you? The answer si very simply weapons, docs, training, non reccuring costs (bases etc) are includin for exports sales till now. About the price, you should wonder why during the seventies US gov asked Rand corp to inquire how could Dassault do so cheap efficient planes (mirage).

    LE RAPPORT DE LA RAND CORPORATION

    Le succès de la société Dassault intrigue. Ses caractéristiques sont analysées à l’étranger, particulièrement aux États-Unis. En 1973, l’armée de l’Air américaine commande une étude à la Rand Corporation, institut de recherche et d’analyse californien, concernant les AMD-BA, qualifiés de société qui « a généralement la réputation d’être l’une des firmes occidentales les plus efficaces dans le domaine de la conception et de la fabrication des avions ». L’objet est d’examiner et d’évaluer la société Dassault, d’identifier ses qualités et d’envisager ce qui, après une certaine adaptation, pourrait être transposé aux États-Unis.

    Le rapport insiste sur « le prix, les performances, la livraison rapide et l’adaptabilité à une vaste gamme d’applications » qui constituent « les atouts majeurs » de la Société.

    CFPH 20% more than F-16. Source?

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2189919
    halloweene
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    No. First you do not have any official value for REC flyaway inside Indian deal. If you want them, take the data from french senate. Otherwise apples to cocnuts.

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2189989
    halloweene
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    Authorizes $10.5 billion for the Joint Strike Fighter program, including $8.5 billion for procurement of 63 aircraft, including
    43 F-35As, 16 F-35Bs, and 4 F-35Cs

    FY 17 NDAA. https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FY17%20NDAA%20Bill%20Summary.pdf

    Not “les than 100 million/plane”

    What means subsidized? Are you talking about Boeing? what is the problem with “french” numbers? How are they “vague”? one cannot compare export contracts with or without weapons, maintenance, training and installations. Compare procurement costs of each country. Much more relevant…

    Remind me the present CPFH of F-35?

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2190449
    halloweene
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    Wow nice find. Plz send me the data 😉
    More seriously, according to latest SAR, the cost of F-35 is?

    in reply to: 2017 F-35 news and discussion thread #2190523
    halloweene
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    About hypoxia, for once, i’ll not jump on it. Every aircraft has its youth problem. As far as it is (really) fixed for FRP…

    [QUOTE]This is what happened in the Netherlands and I am pretty sure they will do the same in Belgium.
    If Belgium has the same ambition (and why not) F-35 will come out on top of that, even if it means you can only have 30 or so[QUOTE]

    Wow cheaper than Rafale F3R (not to talk about F4)

    in reply to: Future of Belgian Air Component #2190552
    halloweene
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    I did the best I could.

    There were multiple reports that the “bare aircraft” price was around $101 mil and this did not include the ~$50 mil per “customization” fees, laser targeting pod, or likely wing fuel tanks.

    That same “bare aircraft”, ie Flyaway cost, of the F-35A is already under $100 mil and getting cheaper every day.

    No. you cannot compare the “under 100 (fake) million dollar” the uspaid with a supposed export price without knowing exactly what is inside. if you want to compare, do, but for e.G. korean F-35, or compare with french senate numbers.

    Modern F-16 not included in the comparison?

    Anyway I don’t think your government or Air Force will look at it that way.
    At least that wasn’t the case in the Netherlands and Norway.
    First you will have to look what missions the Ministry of Defence wants the Air Force to be able to perform.
    What is their ambition.
    Then you will have to look, what missions the Air Force want to perform.
    What is their ambition.
    If you have consensus on that, now you can look at what aircraft can perform those set of missions with highest possible rate of success and highest chance of survivability.
    Then you will buy that particular aircraft.

    This is what happened in the Netherlands and I am pretty sure they will do the same in Belgium.
    If Belgium has the same ambition (and why not) F-35 will come out on top of that, even if it means you can only have 30 or so.

    The F-16 is’t considered anywhere tbh. ust in India as a backoff if LCA MkII would fail. Anw, no RFQ was sent. There was one to US Navy for F-18, but they withdrawed.7
    If you take a look at Belgian RFP, missions, ambitions etc. are fairly well described. (including scenarios).

    MADL connectivity with allied F-35s & Eurofighters.

    MADL connectivity with Eurofighter??? What was tested was only to nsend on L16 data from Madl. And MADL architecture is limited to 4 planes afaik (at least at) and each asset must be described to the MADL net BEFORE operating. Goodby for connecitvity wich, anyway, would nonly be possible within a mixed patrol (extesively rare). Other contenders bring their own tactical datalinks also, be it SAAB on Gripen E and Rafale with F4 standard. All inall, a + for F-35, but very small.

    This is what happened in the Netherlands and I am pretty sure they will do the same in Belgium.
    If Belgium has the same ambition (and why not) F-35 will come out on top of that, even if it means you can only have 30 or so

    Remember the score in Netherland? VERY tight advantage for F-35, and that was before some embarassments…

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