Although I expect the auditors in the UK to have a little bit of accounting and budgeting background nothing like putting something out there an then clarifying and editing on the fly based on inputs received on forums ;). I see that half-assery lacking in the NAOs work…
About budgeting background, LRIP 11 modification was budgeted INSIDE the LRIP7 contract N0001912C0004. No more, no less.
Criitc’s easy, art is difficult. YES there was an error on quoted price (LRIP6 numbers instead of 7, and not precised engines out). Better correct it when it is underlined no? If authors were paid, or if on paid for the site (free and advertisement free) one could require perfection (although considering some articles in paid press…). It is not the case. The 12% differencd you quoted did not impair the validity of the article overall.
Israël négocie l’achat de F-15 « Silent Eagle »
Israël désire effectuer une évaluation de la version avancée du F-15, soit le « Silent Eagle » et ceci avant de procéder à toute nouvelle commande de F-35.
Israel want to evaluate the advanced version of F-15, aka “Silent Eagle” before any further F-35 order.
It was a querulous comment to pointedly respond to Nic’s. Obviously you can read the NAO report on SDD and follow on dev costs included in the U.K. procurement.
It is ironic considering the recent row over assumed costs presented the last few pages.
Check the article involved : it is clearly written into that “cost perimeter” can be dispcussed.
You likely know this, but India only paid for India specific changes to the configuration of the Rafale. They weren’t partnered with France and Dassault in developing the aircraft. The UK spent around $2 Billion dollars to support the RDT&E phase of the program and as a result became a tier-1 partner with all the benefits that entails to its industry both during the SDD phase and beyond. That has no comparison in a 30 or 50% offset by value deal. Moving on, the audited figures include that RDT&E contribution, contribution of training and test services in the US, procurement of 48 supersonic STOVL aircraft, their initial support and infrastructure to support them back home – at a cost not very different from what the Indian side is paying for their Rafales.
I purposedly did not jump into that cost affair 😉 . It is just the “compared to the Rafale”. What was he referring to?
Yes, cheapish. Especially compared to the Rafale deals which don’t include dev costs.
develop or sustain?
Thank goodness the Trudeau admin has been open and transparent on their CF-18 replacement program (sarcasm). This saga is only just beginning. Once the Boeing proposal is recieved and released the proverbial moose patties are going to go flying.
I disagree that there are surplus legacy hornets available. There aren’t, if there were the Marines would be actively trying to source them for parts.
i didn’t say that Trudeau Gov was clean as an angel. just mentioned it became a politic issue. And these issues are self evolving.
The main difference between the two types is cost. Currently you have to add at least a zero to costs of GaN radars. Moving forward they hope to reduce the cost disparity between the two types. That being the case GaN will eventually replace GaA radars.
Until then GaA is natural choice on systems for mass deployment for the next decade. GaN is the long term choice but is cost prohibitive at the current time. GaN is being used in limited numbers at this time.
Recent talk with AESA RBE2 head of program : GaN was considered for next upgrade, but too costly atm.
Incredible — are the Canadians really going to do this!?
It is very hard to comprehend, in particular considering that Canada is an F-35 partner!
I hope Norway will get some of the F-35 contracts that otherwise would have gone to Canada — competition is stiff, still, one may hope that at least some of it will end up here.
Their audit office qhowed that previous government DID vastly lie about F-35 procurement costs. It then became a political issue. Plitics have their own logics…
Since when APG 81 is GaN based???
GaN has a roughly 4 to 7 higher efficiency.
None of those links pertained to Sweden.
To think that these programs unquestionably implied that Dassault and Gripen were basically going to stop evolving their product line and thus, phase out completely as time went on, is folly.
Sweden was one of the major contractants for nEUROn. Btw, the real awesme part of nEUROn (rarely advertised) was to build from sifferent countries on a single 3D model…
did Mig do something?
saab was supposedly linked with Turkey, which also linked with BAE
no idea who’d dassault would work with but perhaps potentially with India if fgfa tech transfer doesnt pan out
AMCA
Yes, but if you check it was a subcontract of LRIP7 contract. So clearly DMS part redesign … For LRIP11 was awarded within LRIP 7 contracts. Not our bad…
TBH, i do not know anyone who computed all those data like Schubi. I mean data from actually spent money.
Btw, what is DMS?
So the question then becomes why publish until it has been edited and sourced correctly, it is not like there are any great revelations in the data.
Is this new site seeking to capitalise on the F-35 click bait phenomena? That business model seems to work for defence.aerospace and war is boring…
Beacuase the money was awarded under LRIP7 contracts. The idea was not to do a cost analysis (later), but to compute all the money awarded under LRIP7 hat which, in the end, is what the taxpayer funds. Cost analysis will dcome further. And there is no business model as there is no money and no advertisement…
Yes. One design plan contracter With in lrip7 is about à design for lrip cost. Will be adressede later on.
Lets back off a bit. The JPO provided F-35A Unit cost with engine and contractor fees for all production lot since it production commenced (Defense One obtained it and published it, and I’m sure they are not the only publication that have access to it). On the LRIP-9 contracts they did the same for the F-35B and the C and provided the unilaterally awarded unit cost including (also including the engine and fees).
During the course of your editing did you ask the author whether he even bothered to obtain the all lot unit cost (including engine) for the B and C? I seriously doubt he did since he did couldn’t even get the basic LRIP-7 cost right (assuming that was the intention) and after you pointed it out, he still got it wrong during the second attempt. All of this was the easy part one could simply google up. One would assume since he makes an attempt to attribute unit costs to the JPO he would have reached out to them to fill in the gap or at least source “accurate” information from the horse’s mouth.
He could not (and it is written) separate versions from each other using the data available (which are listed) however, i’ll write to JPO. Already did about the cost of engine retrofit to PW, no answer yet. I still see, despite some corrections to do about cost, a huge discrepancy between advertised cost and paid cost (which can be both valid).