about 800kg difference in weight b/w the M’s and land version.
85% commonality. 250 Kgs for dront gear. arrestor hook. Landing help systems…
Total cost program for 286 units 43.57 billions euros, including VAT (2011 value). Estimated cost for tax payer 94 million euros (including F3 Dev) tax free. Of course since target lowered from 286 to 225 orders for AdlA. On the other way, exports to Egypt, Qatar, India…
Cev cost up to F3 version, 7.1 billion. Industrials take in charge 25% of dev costs.
Numbers…. not Ezco B.S. I posted them, refuted them or shut it. Rafale 212+ million in 2011 dollars program costs + acquisition (based on planned numbers)
F-35 129 million (2012 dollars) PAUC.Refute it or stop bragging how “cheap” the Rafale program is compared to others- because as a program undertaken by one nation, the Rafale wasn’t cheap at all.
easy. http://www.senat.fr/rap/a13-158-8/a13-158-814.html
That includes 20% VAT (we checked while writing http://www.portail-aviation.com/2013/12/le-veritable-prix-du-rafale-par-version.html
Dev costs are also well documented, around 40-50 billions (can’t cite purely from memory)
Again, appple to apple. Fly away cost for building nation.
I think that the Rafale production rate was lowered to the minimum level at which the line could be run profitably so the assembly line could produce at a higher rate. Whether the supply chain has latent unused capacity allowing for a quick ramp up is a different matter. In any event with cross-trained assembly workers with expertise in both Falcon and Rafale assembly (according to one of the French members here), it sounds like Dassault is well placed to boost the production rate.
rate scheduled to be doubled in 2017. Of course this is only rhetorics… Not like JPO.
Just to cut about Gilmore, copy paste from DOT&E website.
The Director, Operational Test & Evaluation (DOT&E) is the principal staff assistant and senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense on operational test and evaluation (OT&E) in the Department of Defense (DoD). DOT&E is responsible for issuing DoD OT&E policy and procedures; reviewing and analyzing the results of OT&E conducted for each major DoD acquisition program; providing independent assessments to SecDef, the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics (USD(AT&L)), and Congress; making budgetary and financial recommendations to the SecDef regarding OT&E; and overseeing major DoD acquisition programs to ensure OT&E is adequate to confirm operational effectiveness and suitability of the defense system in combat use.
Btw, isn’t it illegal to deploy fighters before Milestone C?
So, prompted by my enquiry to GWR, BAE are having to unveil some of the magic behind the world’s only Supersonic UAV?:D
Hopefully this lecture might yield an article or two perhaps?
I hope so, but generally speaking they do not. Asked anw.
Edit. IF it is recorded i’ll get a copy.
Taranis Aerodynamics
11th January 2017
Personal Lecture Theatre, Warton Aerodrome
Lecture
https://www.aerosociety.com/events-calendar/taranis-aerodynamics/
Yes preparing… Without that artificial snail-like production output financed for half a decade by Fr taxpayers, there would be no glorious backlog to shake the rattle in the face of the press. A bit of modesty would have done it great. Especially when political instability in the world could lead to the urgent phasing-out of prime non-stealth aircraft after a dramatic return of experience (weapon in anger – near peer)*.
So far, the doubling and tripling are only words in the mouth of Trappier. We have also Offset production with Reliance in India etc… All with 55 Falcon to build and 8/9/10 Raf a year…
:rolleyes:
blah blah….
a backlog artificially sustained by the slow pace of production output… Don’t be mistaken by the nbr. Nor by the very weird financial incentives that led to the Egypt order. Although the situation is better than 2 years before (Raf line), a trend toward an equally slow pace decline can be outlined without being overly pessimistic.
In the meanwhile, the chain is doubling its production pace and preparing to triple… Good shot 😉
Third MQ9 system delivered to french air force. 4th ordered
I don’t have launch weights available that can back up my claims, hence the use of the “likely”. What I will provide is F-18 NATOPS, which in Chapter 8 discusses launch weights and required power settings. https://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-EF-000.pdf
If we look at operational use of the aircraft though, the only example of a light launch would be an airframe test. Every other profile can be launched with suitable weight to reduce the opportunity for oscillation and even an airframe test is an additional opportunity for training on the jet.Is there a single other mission profile that would result in a light launch?
Global Security has some good info on emals here, http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/emals.htm but the pertinent paragraph is probably below.
10 Nimitz class in service 5 were built before 1990 with the Nimitz approaching 50 years in 2025 with each subsequent vessel every 4-5 years after that. Given F-35C won’t hit the fleet until 2019 and will be operated by the USN till at least 2060 it will almost certainly see more work on Ford class carriers than Nimitz.
Yes there are some profiles with light lauch : scramble and on the opposite very heavy but buddy to buddy refueling at start of the mission.
Yes indeed, and barring some massively expensive refit or technology breakthrough in power generation for the Nimitz, they aren’t getting EMALS.
They have 2 years to implement a fix before impacting IOC for Navy. Considering JPO’s track record so far, it will be done in plenty of time, though not fast enough to prevent GAO from issuing “recommendations” that will invariably cause a media firestorm. Wait, that’s already happening.
As far as it is fixed for IOC…
Linear (uniform) acceleration. Think hand gradually applying force to your back vs. releasing a rubber band. Also the EM cats can can be dialed in to more accurately apply the correct amount of force for take-off weight.
Ok, but in the meanwhile? There are still 10 carriers using steam catapults no?
Except it isn’t more. The oscillation occurs for light loaded aircraft only. On operations how frequently will we see light loaded airframes take off from a carrier? The answer for you given your preference to dodge actually answering a question is that we won’t. Light loaded airframes likely comprise less than 2% of all cat launches and to get around the issue there is the really easy fix of just loading the jet a bit heavier…
I also expect this will be a non issue for EM catapults given the acceleration profile will be a lot smoother and F-35C will likely be launched from a lot more EM catapults over its life that steam.
Any statistics about loading on carrier take off? Because “likely” is a bit imprecise… Aswell as EM catapults being smoother (genuine question that one)?