Lemme get this straight.. We should rely on a pilot’s account whenever he talks about the F-35.. but when he talks about a Gripen, then it’s suddenly not valid.. 🙂 makes sense

That was the exact disparity of thought I was pointing out. Literally dozens of pilots talking about the F-35…… discarded. One pilot talks about his experience in the Grip, suddenly it’s the greatest ever.

More specifically, the pilot tweeting about his dact record could just be a hell of a pilot, oblig exaggerates that into “Gripen dominates the F-16”. Which, btw, is not what other pilots have stated. Generally, they are impressed with the Gripen’s agility, but also point out its energy disadvantage.

What demos? There haven’t been any besides a low level flyby with a few minor maneuvers by Dutch aircraft. There hasn’t been a single airshow performance.

Btw, when I read a post by someone who throws out “fanboy” every other sentence, two things come to mind: One, they are probably posting looking to get into arguement. Two, they likely have no idea what they are talking about.

So far you are supporting this theory nicely Eagle1.

ROFL.. engine thrust passes through the CoG (or as close as possible), it won’t stop the torque caused by CoG too far to the rear from making the aircraft pitch up even further…

anyway, the whole discussion is pointless.. if the CoG was so far back that the tail couldn’t stop it from pitching up, the thing would pitch up at its first take off, stalled and crashed… if you can’t grasp how absurd your statement is, nobody here an help you (but then, it may explain how you can be so fond of this bombtruck in fighter role”…)

Your whole arguement is muddled to the point of incoherent. GerryA generally explained the point pretty well to you. The F-35’s low speed AoA is related to control laws. It you want to extrapolate any more from it, your foolish. Look at an F-16 leading/trailing edge flaps when flying at low speed, then that of an F-35. Then come back here with an idea what we are talking about.

Merry Christmas

Likely you won’t unless from European operator of the F-35. U.S. aircraft weren’t allowed to do airshow routine until IOC. Likely won’t be till next summer to have F-35 airshow routine and regs written up.

No, you proved that you don’t get the difference between simulations run before the F-35 even flew, and real world exercises. Also proves that the gentleman who submitted the testimony “flew” a very early simulation, omitted the fact that it would have been impossible to truly test the F-35 against anything in 2004. What was his motivation? Guess we won’t know as he promptly took a job with Eurofighter after submission.

Hence the point about simulations……..

In the case of Anker Steen Sørensen, he retired in 2004. Considering that the F-35’s first flight was in 2006, I doubt they could accurately model: RCS (testing was ongoing in 2004), air vehicle performance (SWAT was ongoing in 2004), avionics performance (CATBIRD testing began in 2007). I’m not sure why he thinks that any simulation conducted in 2004 (or earlier) would have represented “real world” capabilities of either the F-35 or threat aircraft.

In other words, Sørensen’s testimony before Australian Parliament in 2014 seems curiously vacant of those details. Unfortunately he never expounded on his testimony before taking a job as a consultant with Eurofighter consortium.

It depends on what the purpose of the exercise is. If it’s about exploring operational weaknesses in order to adjust tactics, then there’s plenty of F-35 kills, for a good reason.
If it’s all a cheap PR stunt aimed at creating an image of hypothetical supremacy of the F-35 in order to numb the critics and satisfy the crowd of uncritical fans, then there’s zero.

Exercises aren’t held for PR. Rarely are hard details available. When I think “PR stunt”, I think of those simulated exercises where the results are predetermined based on assumptions. Events like RF are expensive, and the point isn’t to showcase the dominance of one aircraft or another.

In the case of the F-35, most information on “results” have been offhand comments from pilots. It’s not like they have a light up scoreboard in the Nevada desert with the “win-loss” record of the units bathing the tarmac of Nellis in a soft glow (yes I was looking at my Christmas tree).