Charity begins at home?

Linc I see a distinction between the sadly unending need for charitable donations at home for the deprived and disadvantaged and the old and the terminally ill and those elsewhere in the world who have suffered the loss of everything save their lives through circumstances quite outside their control.
To my mind help is equally needed in both cases.

Let’s get OUR Country sorted out first, then we can start to give it away.

Obviously I am pleased we have been able to help those in the Philippines, no question about it, I don’t begrudge them a single penny of what has been donated. But where does it all end?, as has been stated, it’s going to be a long haul for them, and, as such, are we still going to be able to give the same support in 4,5,6,7 years time, providing there are not any more World disasters?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

The thread was started to flag up that those that think Charity Begins at Home are wrong. Very wrong. Ask those in the Philippines and the generous Brits who have donated over £30m if “charity begins at home”.

I think it all goes right back to the start, with those 4 little words.which means SO much……

CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

But do you think it’s right that children’s hospices, cancer care centres, bereavement counselling, respite care etc. should completely rely on charity? I think the least governments could do is to match charity donations. Would anyone really complain if their taxes went on to such as I’ve listed rather than wasted on utterly useless expenditure such as the Trident replacement? Actually, I suspect they would…..

Charity donating is about choice. Tax is not. We are obliged to pay the taxes imposed by the state and have no say as to how the money is used. We have the freedom to donate more of our money or none of it to specific charities of our choice.

Nail head direct hit .I have other charities i would MUCH rather donate to for personal reasons,my choice.

Charity donating is about choice. Tax is not. We are obliged to pay the taxes imposed by the state and have no say as to how the money is used. We have the freedom to donate more of our money or none of it to specific charities of our choice.
As Linc clearly showed, for some there is confusion about the source of the money spent on our behalf. It’s ALL OUR MONEY or it’s borrowed because there isn’t enough of ours. And then the interest on the borrowed money is paid by our money or more borrowed money.

Smack on Chas, we don’t have a choice. I wonder how the money we “Donate” to the Government would be spent if WE told THEM where our money should be spent.

Oh and WARREN, a good way of saving money would to stop getting involved in other Countries problems, Afghanistan, etc, etc. Getting the picture now as to your question to me?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

But where do you think the government got the £16million (now £50million) from that you were so proud of?

I’ll give you a multiple choice:

a) diverted it from somewhere else.

b) raised taxes.

c) borrowed it (and then one of the options above to pay it back…..plus interest).

Here we go again…..:rolleyes:

1) Divert it from our Overseas budget. There are Countries which simply just don’t need our aid.The more you give, the more they become dependant on us

2) Follow 1) above and there is no need to. One FIFTH of my State and Police Pension is ripped out of my monthly “Handout”, and that’s before we pay for all the Utility bills, food, etc, etc.
3)..Ditto, follow 1) yet again, as I have stated before, it’s too easy to spend other peoples hard earned, if the Politicians had to pay it out of their own budgets, they would think twice, personaly, there are times when I have to think more than twice before I spend my money.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Charity donating is about choice. Tax is not. We are obliged to pay the taxes imposed by the state and have no say as to how the money is used. We have the freedom to donate more of our money or none of it to specific charities of our choice.
As Linc clearly showed, for some there is confusion about the source of the money spent on our behalf. It’s ALL OUR MONEY or it’s borrowed because there isn’t enough of ours. And then the interest on the borrowed money is paid by our money or more borrowed money.

Me for one. Where do you stop? Another penny for Help The Aged? Another for Cancer Research? Another for Alzheimer’s Relief? etc etc etc

Well, clearly you have to stop somewhere but I was just trying to illustrate the amount of money that could be raised from only a penny rise in petrol and diesel duty. The figure of £350million is a conservative estimate based on (low) 2012 fuel use figures so with a penny rise you could give Children-in-Need £31million plus the same for ten other charities.

Are you really going to notice that penny when you fill your car?

I would, and so I suspect would countless charities in this country, who are desperate for funds.

Is your objection the extra penny or the suggestion to give it to Children-in-Need?

I felt proud to be a Brit yesterday, when I found out this Government had donated £16.000.000, a small little Island with a big heart…

MORE TAXES, I’m not that stupid. Sorry, but one has to draw the line somewhere.

But where do you think the government got the £16million (now £50million) from that you were so proud of?

I’ll give you a multiple choice:

a) diverted it from somewhere else.

b) raised taxes.

c) borrowed it (and then one of the options above to pay it back…..plus interest).

Having a Great Grandchild who will never communicate with us let alone integrate in any way into society, I wish my Grandchildren well in their extremely difficult future. Having watched Nick Knowles & Chris Beardshaw recently create a new respite home (Children in Need) for over 800 disabled children humbles me. I but ask why hasn’t someone hasn’t asked the question why this is happening to so many children. Is it a new phenomenon or as someone told me today their severely disabled child is 25 years old this year.

Having been very closely involved with Ethiopia in 1985, airdrop from Hercules is an option but only if local distribution is closely monitored. Otherwise the clever bstd’s will overcome and sell to the highest bidder. The best option is to wait 7 – 10 days to get the correct resources on the ground, good organisation and proper management, this allows the proper distribution of water and food where it is desperately needed. Yes in that order. You can survive with little food but clean water is essential.

Aid in the first instance is great. Rebuilding the infrastructure is long term. Who in Politics is in for the long term? I rest my case.

Rant over! Over to you.

Bob

MORE TAXES, I’m not that stupid. This year I received 2 pence a week State Pension rise 1p of that went to the Rev Tax Man.
Sorry, but one has to draw the line somewhere.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

…how many motorists would object to that going to Children-in-Need?

Me for one.

Where do you stop?

Another penny for Help The Aged? Another for Cancer Research? Another for Alzheimer’s Relief? etc etc etc

Moggy

A penny extra tax on petrol / diesel would raise over £350million per year…

…how many motorists would object to that going to Children-in-Need?

I would, and so I suspect would countless charities in this country, who are desperate for funds.

…surely the time has come for our taxes to pay for some of this.

But we don’t raise enough tax to pay for everything now and are forced to borrow (and waste money paying interest). Increasing tax rates is always problematical.

A penny extra tax on petrol / diesel would raise over £350million per year…

…how many motorists would object to that going to Children-in-Need?

I felt proud to be a Brit yesterday, when I found out this Government had donated £16.000.000, a small little Island with a big heart, compare that to the size of America who donated £11.000.000. sort of puts things into perspective, don’t it?.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Interesting to read about China’s donation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24938874

Anyone as bored as I am with the annual Children in Need tedium?

Moggy

Have never watched it,

That is impressive, as is the £31m raised last night on CiN. Some may be bored of it but clearly not enough to stop giving generously.