Damien Hirst At Ilfracombe.

No Jim PS Waverly is one on her own,post war built (1946) for trotting around that heathen part of the UK north of the border:)

She literally tours the entire coastline!!

http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/departurepoints.htm

Right, here’s something for you all to ‘incensed’ about.
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incensed..? quite partial to a drop of Patouchli myself… 🙂

as for art/design… i go with William Morris and his ethic of Have nothing in your house(or shed!!) that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful… i’d give Verity houseroom (well more likely garden room)..

Paul178.

The chap who was O.I.C. at Trinity House, Grt Yarmouth, was a Tom Fiddy, lost contact but Trinity House, at Tower hill, London may be able to help provide the answer.As it was moored up at their quayside.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

No Jim PS Waverly is one on her own,post war built (1946) for trotting around that heathen part of the UK north of the border:)

Paul178.
Paul, Now that poses the question as to where and who owns the one I saw, and just how many are still afloat and in working order?.Was the WAVERLY a “CLASS” named vessel.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

“The Waverly” is well known in the Bristol Channel Jim completely different ship.

Paul178.

I looked at the Web cam today, I cant believe it’s the same one I saw moored up at the quayside at Trinity House. She was actualy named, ie, painted on her, “The Waverly” is there more than one?. if not, then the old girl must have been left to rot away, because at the time, she looked in fine fettle.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Oh, and Paul.
I saw a really, really, really nice Indian straight four combination the other week in Norfolk.
Totally original, unrestored and original but sadly not for sale. I couldn’t afford it anyway but my, my, it was a beauty.

Give it five years and you can probably add the CX500 to the list of expensive bikes. Oh and I never laugh at Hondas.
I like them very much–I still own a couple myself.

Soichiro Honda is a hero of mine.
Apparently, he used to give indolent or under performing designers a whack round the ear with a crankshaft if he was unhappy.

Try to close your mind to what your Brit collection would currently be worth.
The Comet and Venom in particular, because it’ll only depress you.

And one of these days when I’m bored, I’ll relate a couple of Pan stories relating to a certain Police force.
One features that ‘Weave’ very particularly.

Yep Andy I do.
When I was young I had a Vincent Comet £50, Douglas Dragonfly £10 1961 Bonny £85 and Velocette Venom £60. Think what that lot would be worth now

20 years ago I had(don’t laugh) A Honda CX500. 5 years ago my health problems made me sell my last bike which was an Ex Police Pan European. Probably just as well as I was hit off it twice in a month and it had the infamous Pan weave.

Design needs to be practical, but appearance has a big part to play, for instance when the Jag E Type was launched it’s performance was something else, but the looks of the thing would probably have sold a fair number even if the car hadn’t been one of the best around.

Still looks good. Went well too but the early ones were dire–brakes, handling, comfort.

Paul.
Are you really sure you want an Indian like that?
I fear disapointment would follow.
Yes, as an exercise in making a rather unexciting side-valve V-twin made in Springfield, Massachusetts look different from another unexciting side-valve V-twin made in Milwaukee, Wisconsin the Indian, as a design works–I think that’s a scout (possibly) but the much more rare Indian inline fours are more interesting.
Now, as someone who works with, as well as volunteers with and rides motorbikes, there are a good many that I’d like to own. I have already owned a few too.
However, if much less than the top win in the blottery fell my way, I’d probably have one just like this….

Art and design come very close here–for all sorts of reasons.
(It’s also quick enough to scare me witless…:):):) )

Personally I think the statue looks absolute crap, as does the Angel of the North come to think of it.

Is all form in engineering for utility only, or does the artist contained in the designer show through??

Design needs to be practical, but appearance has a big part to play, for instance when the Jag E Type was launched it’s performance was something else, but the looks of the thing would probably have sold a fair number even if the car hadn’t been one of the best around.

Andy art and design converge here for me

Just 6 numbers away from owning one

For me the art should have a value in it’s own right irrespective of whether the painting or whatever was produced by pupil or teacher.

Good point, and I guess quite a percentage of modern art is for profit only.
Interestingly, in world war two Paris, Picasso used to trade the odd picture for food. He even burned a few for heat–highlighting how priorities can change when hunger comes knocking.
I bet there were a few Parisian bakers who retired south on the proceeds of a post war picture sale though..!!

Also interestingly and pulling the two halves of this thread together.
In something like Tornado, or The Medway Queen or my Honda VF1100 or a Brough Superior SS100, where does art & design exactly converge..?
Is all form in engineering for utility only, or does the artist contained in the designer show through??

And she looks superb!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14581588@N05/7217661316/

Well I think modern art is like all art–and indeed most things.
There’s the good, the bad and the indifferent.

Personally speaking art has brought me some great joy in life and if I was in Paris (a favourite city) I’d be hard pushed to decide between a trip to the Musée de ll’Air et de l’Espace and the Musée national Picasso.
I enjoy both equally.
Just a personal thing.
A.

Many of us will have differing ideas as to what represents good or bad art/design, I am not knocking art as such, but how much of the whole business is more inclined to the profitability than the subject. There has been a programme running looking at paintings mainly, trying to assess if these are originals or in the “style” of some “master”, these are not copies but originals in their own right.

For me the art should have a value in it’s own right irrespective of whether the painting or whatever was produced by pupil or teacher.

So would I Andy but to save any further arguements shall we call it resurrected not restored!:D

Good idea.
Even though it’s ‘new build’ it’ll still look good.
Think of LNER Class A1 ‘Tornado’.

So would I Andy but to save any further arguements shall we call it resurrected not restored!:D