P.C. ?

Health and safety (not what the thread is about) does affect daily lives – otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in it. I’ve seen the result of one too many accidents to ever think that H&S regulations are a bad thing.

I dont think anyone is arguing this point at all to be honest.

But H&S will never be a substitute for good old common sense. Something that a lot of people do not have so no amount of H&S training courses can ever give them that. Its just a company covering their own back and saying “Well we told him not to do it that way” when their guy is splatted under a pallet of stuff.

You are of course right about H&S, a point I made at the beginning of the thread. Although I believe that the good intentions of the regulations have been usurped. But that is for another thread.

The direct answer to your question about PC affecting our daily lives is probably very little. However there are many things with which we disagree or feel should be done differently, which do not affect us on a daily basis. Are we to be precluded from criticising things simply because they do not affect us on a daily basis?

I thought I recognised the condescending rhetoric – you were one of those faceless PC lecturers from my courses, weren’t you? Did you eventually find a humour transplant donor?
If I were a cynic, I’d suspect most purveyors of ‘PC’ were also members of the shady ‘Common Purpose’ organisation, determined to undermine UK and western productivity…

I would suggest that your subtitle would appear to suit you well. Your lack of respect for others and their opinions is very clear – you must be a joy to work with.

Anyway, back to the thread.

Who is arguing otherwise?

What people are arguing about is the extent to which it is being applied, how it is affecting daily lives. People are moaning about H&S for the same reasons.

Several have talked about name-calling – all I’m saying is that there a bit more to it than that.
Maybe there could be examples of just how PC (what the thread is about) really affects your daily life in a detrimental fashion. I would be interested if it really has any sort of effect at all.

Health and safety (not what the thread is about) does affect daily lives – otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in it. I’ve seen the result of one too many accidents to ever think that H&S regulations are a bad thing.

I do agree that H&S is an entirely different thing from PC. Dont think many issues arising from H&S issues and PC issue will ever cross paths. I cant think of any examples that would to be honest.

[QUOTE=Arthur Pewtey;1760375]I suspect rumours about stopping putting up Christmas lights are just that – rumours with little substance in fact. Nobody as far as I’m aware has been punished for putting up flags either.QUOTE]

I seem to remember several stories that arose a while back about English flags being removed by police (correct me if I am wrong) because of racial issues. And the christmas lights as you pointed out could have been a newspaper plot to stir up trouble but I suspect it was a food for thought article about what could happen if PC goes too far.

PC was designed to show respect for other’s background and cultures. I’m still struggling to see what is actually wrong with that. It is rather more involved than name-calling as well.

Who is arguing otherwise?

What people are arguing about is the extent to which it is being applied, how it is affecting daily lives. People are moaning about H&S for the same reasons.

I’ve always either joined in the joke or shrugged my shoulders and ignored it. “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

Well done that man.

Just like myself over the years.

Apart from last year while at a music festival. My then girlfriend now fiancee has cerebral palsy and as a result her hips are a bit off and she walks a bit wonky and has problems with her balance. Well we were walking along making from the main stage to our camp area minding our own business when behind me I can hear these 3 people ( I know there were three because I have good eyesight and saw them out of the corner of my eye while looking over my shoulder at something else) talking about the way she was walking and oh look how the walk together (meaning that we were both walking in rythm with each other, If anyone has tried walking with someone on you arm with a disability you do find if you get a rythm with the person you are walking with it makes it easier on both.) and so it went on and they would not let up they just kept laughing and sniggering about us etc etc. None of it really bothered me personally and my partner didnt even hear or know they were talking about us but it was just ignorance. Well I had enough and decided that 3 on 1 was good odds and that they needed a lesson in manners. I turned round and told them if they were going to talk about someone that they should at least do it so that the people who they were talking about could not actually hear them. If they indeed felt the need to talk about other people at all. That is the polite forum friendly version, I was not so polite to their faces. Oh and after that I told them that they were just a bunch of ignorant B’stards.

This had the desired effect as they shut their mouths and actually couldnt walk far enough out of their road to avoid us. In fact it is the widest bearth I have ever seen anyone give me in my whole life. I was so proud of myself. Of course My girlfriend asked me what all that was about and I said not just now tell you later in the tent. Which I did. It didnt hurt her because she is the sticks and stones type of person too she has had it her whole life. I could tell you stories that would bring tears to your eyes with the way she has been treated in her life by people who should know better.

Anyhow I love her with all my heart and all my life and she is one of the kindest most loving person that I have ever ever met in my life. Anyone of you who is lucky enough to meet her will see it too. Not a bad bone in her body and I will never understand why people treat her the way they do.

So I take it that “respect” isn’t a word in your vocabularly? What exactly is wrong with treating fellow workers with respect? That is all that diversity training is about.
Again you’re mixing PC with health and safety training – they have nothing to do with each other.

I thought I recognised the condescending rhetoric – you were one of those faceless PC lecturers from my courses, weren’t you? Did you eventually find a humour transplant donor?
If I were a cynic, I’d suspect most purveyors of ‘PC’ were also members of the shady ‘Common Purpose’ organisation, determined to undermine UK and western productivity…

Health and safety has nothing to do with offending anyone. The regulations were put in place to stop stupid people doing stuff with scant regard for their’s or other’s safety.

PC was designed to show respect for other’s background and cultures. I’m still struggling to see what is actually wrong with that. It is rather more involved than name-calling as well.

I suspect rumours about stopping putting up Christmas lights are just that – rumours with little substance in fact. Nobody as far as I’m aware has been punished for putting up flags either.
How exactly does PC invoke racial hatred? The false reporting (by such as the Daily Hate) of spurious PC stories may have that effect but actual political correctness? I don’t think so.

if anything i feel pc breeds more racial hatred than existed without it

Agreed. That is one thing that most of us will agree upon. It highlights an issues but does not solve it and it becomes an eyesore.

We are now at stage where everyone is too worried to upset anybody, Even to the point that putting up Christmas lights or showing the Union Flag or English flag is taken as non PC.

I am not Christian so should I put up Christmas lights?

Hell yes. and Why? Because I like them and I want to. Christmas to me is more about doing things as a family and decorating the house nice than a religious statement.

Should anyone try to stop me putting up my lights or draping a Scottish flag over my own property I would defend my rights with my life.

This country is going too far in trying to keep everyone happy. Just let people get on with their own lives and deal with any issues raised as and when they need to be.

I do agree there are some really bad people out there who would go out just to cause trouble but it is our job as a nation to punish and outcast them.

I am a live and let live kind of guy but where does all this PC bull**it end and common sense and decency begin.

Good for you!:) Some people are over-sensitive and over-react. I’ve been called many things over the years – some in fun, some not. I’ve always either joined in the joke or shrugged my shoulders and ignored it. “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

Your story has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with health and safety.

And just what has objections to barbaric bloodsports got to do political correctness?

that is exactly the point !!

we have become a nation of spineless scared that there will be repercusions to every thing we do in every day life !!

wether it be health and safety or pc

the nation s**ts themself less they may offend someone

the biggest trouble is the brittish will stop production have a full shop meeting go through all procedures yada yada yada and spend thousands on a problem that if someone just had the brains to just do it would cost five quid

the biggest problem with pc is it is doomed to fail from the start because if someone is racist , sexist , etc etc they are going to do it wether pc laws are there or not

if anything i feel pc breeds more racial hatred than existed without it

Your story has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with health and safety.

And just what has objections to barbaric bloodsports got to do political correctness?

Because Barbaric Bloodsport are no longer Politically Correct.

If indeed they ever were.

Had a PC moment today.
Held the lift for a lady saying ” here you go my love”

“Im not your love”!!!!!

me “Oh sorry sweetheart”

“im not your sweetheart either”

I think the walking away muttering “Daft bint” was the straw that broke the camels back…

LOL brilliant. This got me laughing today.

So did you follow it up with ” Sorry sugar” or “I do apologise sweet cheeks”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know some people dont like it much but I dont mind if women call me doll or sweetheart or etc etc etc. Its nice and it usually older women who do. But I have a few younger women that I know call me hun or hunny. Do I mind not a bit.

This made me really laugh today.

Thanks sweetheart.;)

LOL

Respect is not something to be learnt on fatuous and time-wasting courses. If people have not acquired it through parental upbringing and school guidance by the time they are in their teens it is too late.

Duxfordhawk – I think PC although it was/is well intended has become more of a stick to hit people with rather than something sensible, Which is so sad.

We are now at stage where everyone is too worried to upset anybody, Even to the point that putting up Christmas lights or showing the Union Flag or English flag is taken as non PC.

Yes, exactly.

That’s easy to say but if you are someone on the end of racial abuse or sectarian discrimination are you supposed to just laugh it off?

No, that is beyond just being PC, that is racial abuse or sectarian discrimination.

I try not to offend anyone, and apologise if I do; but I don’t go out of my way to offend someone.

Do you really need training to respect your work colleagues, it comes naturally surely?

It seems to me that some do indeed need training in respect.

Do you really need training to respect your work colleagues, it comes naturally surely?
I know exactly what Al is going on about in regard of wasteful and useless MoD courses, and he makes a very valid point about these seemingly replaceing genuinely useful progression courses.

However I do agree that the term ‘PC’ has just become a meaning to cover a whole host of issues that it probably shouldn’t.

So I take it that “respect” isn’t a word in your vocabularly? What exactly is wrong with treating fellow workers with respect? That is all that diversity training is about.

Again you’re mixing PC with health and safety training – they have nothing to do with each other.