funny, i thought the courts were the places where guilt and innocence were decided. no in police stations. and a fare few such ‘spy’ cases have fall apart in courts in recent years. :rolleyes:

right now, the only fact is that there is an alligation. if you have some inside information on the evidence the prosecution might have, please share it. else enough of these pre-mature determinations of guilt and associated wild guesses already.

Pla stop arguing for the sake of it. think use ur own head.

The F-16 engines could be for the F-17, to sell to pakistan.. Would make sence i am assuming the sizes are about the same prob a bit more powerfull then what is currently on the F-17.

Clinton:

European Training:

If I’m not mistakened, the EU got so freaked out over Washington’s
insistance that they stay clear off of a China on tech transfers such that
“they chickened out on the lifting of the arms embargo on the Chinese”. So, how then does
the Europeans get around this sensitive and this delicate matter?

Baffled.

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Your indirect methods of insulting a nation shall be ignored.

As for the part in quotes, well as you live in Canada and are not working within aerospace in CHINA i really do not see any point in debating with you and teaching you about the country you are not in but belong to.

I suggest you visit china and look at whats happening before posting here.

1) I think Sukhoi started churning out Su-27s and MiG followed suite in no less with their
MiG-29s which is roughly 5 years after the debute of the F-14s and F-15s. Or so goes the documentary
on Soviet Airpower and how MiG used espionage to get blueprints of the latter which had enabled them to
compete with the US in the fighter jet arena. It was on Knowledge Channel I believe.

2) Blame it on Bill. I do! I mean it’s all Bill’s fault — Clinton that is…
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1) It was not uncomman in those days for either side to spy on each other and try to get the blue prints i know for a fact the Europe would have done the same using satelite photos etc to acertain the performance of Soviet aircraft to design something more potent and the soviets would have done the same.

2) Bill clinton has nothing to do with it, there are many many European companies going to china training the chinese in new aircraft construction methods.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/13nad.htm

I mean can it really be that difficult to built an airplane???

If you had any idea about what it takes to build an aircraft you wouldnt be asking such a question.

And before you hark on about the recently redesigned J/F-17 or the J-11 (oops sorry my bad) or i mean the J-10 please do remember that within the last few years the chinese have had a mirriad of western concerns setting up training camps in China, and without these you would have very little to be jingoistic about.

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Originally Posted by edisonone
I mean can it really be that difficult to built an airplane???

No.

Unless, of course, your nation goes off on a completely ridiculous tangent for ten years, setting back intellectual thought a whole generation.

Which nation are you talking about here, are you talking of a general intellectual set back as experienced during the cultural revolution or the set back for indian aerospace firms experienced during times when the government saw it more fit to spend the money else where then in defence and R&D ?

BALASORE: For the third time in as many days, the surface-to-air missile ‘Akash’ was test fired from the Interim Test Range (ITR), 15 km from Balasore, on Monday, defence sources said.

The sleek missile, with a range of 25 km, was fired from a mobile launcher at 12:10 pm with a moving object attached to a Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTA) as target, the sources said.

Akash was test fired twice in succession on Saturday from a mobile launcher at the ITR within a gap of five minutes.

The 5.6 mtr sophisticated missile, which weighs 700 kg and can carry a warhead of 60 kg, uses an integral ramjet propulsion system and has low reaction time, the sources said.

The missile, part of India’s guided missile development programme, can handle multiple targets with its command and guidance system.

It operated in conjunction with the indigenously built Rajendra surveillance and engagement radar developed by the Hyderabad-based Electronic Research and Development Establishment (ERDE).

The radar was capable of tracking 64 targets and can guide upto 12 missiles simultaneously, they said.