The ones who still believe in following gandhi’s stupid policy even though the world has moved on. .

Ghandis policy vis-a-vis world affairs post Raj India? hmm I dont think I have read anything about those please fill me in.

As to the BS that gandhi got India freedom.What can I say, Cong has done a good job of praising themselves throughout history.

So seriously I am really interested in knowing who actually helped India get into the spot light, and highlight the troubles people where facing in India at that time? What singular person, not events or happenstance, helped move India closer to freedom and gain freedom than Ghandi? Who united more people than him?

Anyway possibly for another thread, but I would also like to know, since you denounce Ghandi so Easily and so Quickly what you have done for India in your life that exceeds Ghandis attempts.

Yes they could buy them off the shelf but then they should shut up about being independent of the west :rolleyes: . It is not DRDO’s arrogance that GTRE is a big f**k up. If you don’t have a clue about why India went with Lockheed and not the French just say so. There are enough people on BR who will enlighten you. By your standards even pakistan has a fighter, kudos to them.

I dont know the intimate details of why GTRE is such a joke, however it doest not interest me much except for its end goal of powering the LCA.

All I was aiming to point out/say is that Brazil/Embraer is positioned to build a fighter jet if the will was there. Fortunately or unfortunately they dont choose to.

So ? It will be 11 or more likely 12th country to join the list congrats. How long before it can launch its on weather, comm and recon sats? It will take 3 decades easily. The c-390 is seems like a useful option but who is providing the engines?

The R-99 is eyerie (swedish) fitted on the embrarer damn it! AMX was built with italian help and can brazil or SA make a fighter on its own?

Brazil, Embraer is better placed to develop a fighter than HAL/DRDO/NAL/ADA were when it first started out with the LCA. If the will existed to build a LCA type aircraft they could do it in a suprisingly rapid rate!

I was expecting to read the sentence..

“if haydees freezes over”

F-16IN Given Super Powers
January 18, 2008: The U.S. is offering to sell India a special F-16 that can do supercruise. Thirty years ago, the manufacturer of the F-16 modified the design a bit, and created a version (F-16XL) that could supercruise. That means it could travel faster than the speed of sound (“supersonic”, or about 1,000 kilometers an hour) without using the fuel guzzling afterburner. The concept was put aside, because it wasn’t really worth the effort at the time. A decade later, when the F-22 and F-35 were in development, supercruise was reintroduced. Mostly this is about more powerful engines, and a shape that accommodates that sustained high speed. The F-16IN would also have phased array (AESA) radar, that is more reliable and powerful than conventional radar. The aircraft would also have a passive (heat seeking) “radar” and extensive electronic warfare gear built in. This would be the most powerful F-16 ever built, and certainly more capable than the models Pakistan is getting. That could lead to a situation where F-16s would be fighting F-16s.

All this is part of an effort to snag a competitive Indian contract for 126 high performance fighters. India is willing to pay up to $100 million, or more, per aircraft, and now the F-16IN is a contender. At least on paper. The F-35 is not being offered to India for this contract because the F-35 will not enter service in time (as laid down by the Indians.) Moreover, the F-16IN meets all the requirement of the Indian contract, and is competitive with the other contenders (the U.S. F-18E, the French Rafale, Eurofighter/Typhoon, Russian MiG-35 and Sweden’s Gripen.)
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As much as i would hate over expensive ‘us aircraft being bought by india, I would love to see the F-16xl fly if this is true!

I just wish Indian reporters do some back ground reading before they go on about how wonderful American equipment is compared to the rest of the worlds.

It’s in open domain that Apaches had to fire of their hellfire missiles before they could use their guns! it is also pretty well documented that for insertion and extraction of troops the Apaches and other modern helicopters are outshone by older generation aircraft namely the Mi-35.

Would it not make sense for India which does not yet have the luxury of infinite resources to carry on in tradition and use design similar to the Mi-35?

Why have two aircraft flying into danger, apache leading and clearing resistance dhruv following with troops, when both these things could be done by one aircraft?

I am sure the Royal marines would have loved to have the Mi-35 in service in Afghanistan.

seen things at the grass roots for this for some time the cost of development cannot go to India as it has been in production for sometime.

What is staggering is that India is even looking into it, some one must be getting a juicy % or back hander from this for sure. Even the US Armed forces questioned the purchase of this aircraft! Why does india want it so bad for spec ops when the aircraft its buying has nothing special in it.

Even the US is looking at Russia transport to help it in afghanistan and Iraq as they are more efficient then available western products. so why go west at this time for such a high price.

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The RAF, as lead customer for the new aircraft, has taken delivery of twenty-five C-130Js. The first was delivered to RAF Lyneham in November 1999. The last was delivered on 21st June 2001. Two variants were ordered: 10 standard C-130J aircraft; and 15 ‘stretched’ C-130J-30s. The latter are 180 inches longer and have an increased load carrying volume within a comfortable payload of over 40,000lbs. The RAF trains its C-130J crews in a purpose-built school house, which was also supplied by Lockheed Martin. This contains two full motion dynamic mission simulators. Since entering service, the RAF’s C-130Js have been used in a variety of operational missions including action in the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq.

British industry participation in the world-wide C-130J programme is substantial. The supply chain for C-130J regularly extends to some 150 UK companies, contributions to the programme being made from all sectors of the aerospace industry from SME’s to the largest multi-nationals. UK-owned companies provide over 20% of the value of each C-130J that rolls off the production line. The UK C-130J Industrial Participation programme has to date provided approximately £1billion of business to UK Aerospace and Defence contractors, supporting in excess of 18,000 man years of employment.

Collectively, the UK industrial team is known as the UK C-130J Industrial Support Group and includes companies such as Rolls-Royce (engines), GKN Westland Aerospace (engine nacelles), Goodrich (digital engine controls) and Smiths Aerospace, including Dowty Propellers (power generation and distribution propellers). Over £740M in C-130J-related business has been placed directly with Lockheed Martin’s British industrial partners and suppliers to date. Further sales will increase this figure.”

BAE once again shows how good it is at selling lemons to India! There are so many more advanced and better fighter trainers that india could go for and they end up plonking for this old hag!