quadbikeMissile destroyer INS Chennai launched
The Indian Navy launched a new warship, a missile destroyer in the Project-15 alpha class, at the Mazgaon Dock in Mumbai on Thursday.
Elizabeth Antony, wife of Defence Minister AK Antony, launched the warship.
Speaking on the occasion, Defence Minister AK Antony said that India should have indigenous warship manufacturing capability and that the country cannot depend on foreign shipyards
The Project 15 Alpha is code name for Kolkata-class destroyers that are being made in the Mazgaon dock in Mumbai.
These are the largest warships ever constructed at Mazgaon, the oldest and the most prolific of all Indian naval dockyards.
Aimed at adding a new dimension to the country’s naval warfare, India has launched the indigenous warship with enhanced stealth features and land-attack capabilities
quadbikeAs Pakistan is getting free laser guidance kits from the U.S. India is making our own 🙂
Laser-guided bombs tested successfully
BALASORE: Days after successful trials of nuclear-capable Prithvi-II, Agni-I and ship-launched Dhanush missiles, India today conducted the flight trials of laser-guided bombs (LGBs) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur off Orissa coast.
Sources said the officials of Indian Air Force successfully carried out two rounds of tests of the LGBs using the newly-developed guidance kit from the Jaguar fighter aircraft. In January two flight trials of the LGBs were conducted from the same defence test facility.
The flight trials were conducted to test the effectiveness of the guidance and control systems of the LGBs. “The LGBs were released from the aircraft as per prescribed standard operating procedures. On-board systems in both the trials worked satisfactorily and the mission objectives were met,” said an official.
The flight trials of the LGBs were, however, conducted in a simulated air attack condition. Dubbed as air simulation exercise, the aim and objective of the tests were to provide training to the fighter pilots to use the sophisticated weapons developed by the country besides testing the effectiveness of the system.“A number of tests has been done both through simulation and flight tests over the last few years to reach the required performance levels. The bomb, once released by the mother aircraft at appropriate range, will seek the target and home on to it very accurately and with high reliability,” said a defence scientist.
Bangalore-based Aeronautics Development Establishment (ADE) has developed the guidance kit for the LGBs and it is designed to improve accuracy of air-to-ground bombing by IAF.
quadbikeIndia to Buy A-50EI AWACS from Russia
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has begun negotiating for nine more A-50EI aircraft from Russia. India aims to acquire three of the A-50EI aircraft under the main contract and have another six in an option.
The recent negotiations are a part of a trilateral contract between Russia, India and Israel, which was formalised in October 2003. As a part of the contract for the supply of the A-50EI aircraft, Russia is represented by the firms Beriev, Ilyushin and Vega while Israel is represented by ELTA Electronics Industries, which supplies the Falcon radar for the aircraft.
The A-50EI airborne early warning aircraft is the export version of the Beriev A-50 Shmel, with the Phalcon radar from Israel. The Russian firm Beriev manufactured the A-50 aircraft and it is based on the Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft with PS-90A engines.
While India received the first A-50EI from Russia in mid 2009, the rest of the two are expected to be supplied to India this year. As for the Indian Air Force, it has been a long wait for these airborne early warning aircraft. Originally, Israel and India signed a US$1.1 billion deal, according to which Israeli Aircraft Industries would deliver the Indian Air Force three Phalcon Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) radar system in March 2004. India signed a separate deal with the Ilyushin Corporation of Russia for the supply of three Il-76-based A-50EI heavy-lift aircraft which were to be used as platforms for these radar systems, for an additional US$500 million. In November 2007, the Indian Defence Ministry faced major delays in the supply of the Russian Il-76 platform and the induction of the Phalcon radar was now postponed to 2009-10.
quadbikeOperations from forward bases, as well as activating road runways by utilising portions of the Motorway, to practise take offs and landings from selected locations would add to the options available to the executants of the ‘exercise’.
This is excellent, is it like the Gripen being able to take off from Motorways ?
quadbikeWe are just asking if the integration has been completed, has a BVRAAM be it Chinese or European been test fired etc.
Good post as always Vikas, was a bit hard to understand though ? What’s with the sms language are you typing from a mobile phone…I suggest you get one with qwerty.
quadbikeIs there any international agreement on how the space utilization for each country in the Space for parking the satellite, or is it like I can do what ever I want?
I think it is pretty much you can do as you want. I think there are agreements on weaponization of space however, not sure if it was just a proposal or if its active.
quadbike“The JF 17 Thunder, the light weight and low cost multi role fighter aircraft has high maneuverability and BVR capability. It has advanced aerodynamics configuration and high thrust. The JF 17 Thunder will replace the ageing fleets of A 5s, F 7Ps and the Mirages in the PAF inventory thus fulfilling a multi role task.”
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/11/first-jf-17-thunder-fighter-plane.html
With the start of serial production of the aircraft at PAF Kamra, June 30, 2009 became a Red Letter day in the annals of PAF’s chronicles. A lightweight and low-cost multi-role fighter aircraft with high manoeuvrability and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) capability, the JF-17 has Mach 1.6 capability with advanced aerodynamics configuration and high thrust. It can operate over long distances and is well suited to undertaking a broad spectrum of offensive and defensive missions. Fulfilling a multi-role task, this aircraft is meant to eventually replace the ageing fleet of A-5s, F-7s and the Mirages in the PAF inventory, and thus become the PAF’s mainstay.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C11%5C27%5Cstory_27-11-2009_pg3_3
Furthermore, he confirmed that the first JF 17 Squadron would be established shortly. The JF-17 is a lightweight and low-cost multi-role fighter aircraft with a high manoeuvrability and beyond visual range (BVR) capability. It has advanced aerodynamics configuration and high thrust.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/464/
Weapons Capability
The aircraft would be fitted with modern Stores Management System incorporating accurate weapons delivery modes and solutions involving minimum pilot work load
The system would be based on Mil-Std-1760 architecture for all stations including the wingtip stations
The aircraft would be capable of carrying some of the most modern as well as conventional weapons, including:
70-100 Km range beyond visual range active missiles
Highly agile Imaging infra red short range missiles
Air to sea missiles
Anti radiation missiles
Laser guided weapons
Programmable delays cluster bombs
Runway penetration bombs
General purpose bombs
Training bombs
23 mm double barrel gun
Again Capable of Carrying. Never demonstrated. I hope you understand the difference. Its all intended to be nice and dandy it is not yet.
In many competitions even new generation fighters lose to older generation ones because they have not yet have the adequate multi-role capability of these older platforms.
quadbikeAbsolutely.
As things stand, the JF-17 the PAF has is just a LSP variant, and the PAF has put out a tender for more advanced avionics and weapons for the next batch.
Challenges ahead, especially if the third party avionics and weaponry dont synch up well with the existing Chinese equipment.
Pak doesnt make its own mission computers or avionics hardware either which would have helped.
And the price of the JF 17 (projected like 20 million dollars) will sky rocket once they introduce European radar and weapons, putting it at a disadvantage in international competition against the late generation fulcrums.
quadbikeHow many times do you want me to post this?
“Air Chief Marshal Suleman said it was a major step towards the goal of self-reliance in military aviation industry. He said the aircraft would replace the air force’s ageing fleet of A-5s, F-7s and Mirages.
The JF-17 Thunder is capable of carrying a variety of conventional and precision-guided bombs and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles of short and ‘beyond visual’ ranges.”
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/…t-begins-rs-10
This is becoming a habit now….
Capability on Paper and Demonstrated Capability are entirely different things.
If the former was good enough countries will not be testing Nuclear Weapons, Ballistic Missiles and a host of other weapons systems.
quadbikeQuadbike. He has said it is capable, I dont really care if it has been demonstrated or not. That is not the point I was trying to prove. Capable is good enough for me.
II have given links to everything and a link to ACMs qoutes. Do you really want to carry on posting on this when I have proven my point (3 times over now)?
You have basically proven nothing. You were arguing that in its present form the JF 17 can fire BVR AAMs. I have challenged that and you have not given a single link to prove it can.
Yes it is designed to do so, then again so is the LCA. Can they do it at the moment. NO. Not yet. 😉
So the talk about JF 17 being ages ahead of the LCA in maturity is just bull….
quadbikeYou really want to drag this out huh? 😀
OK. Topix, “hardly reliable”? Its an Azerbajan website. Let me now if that makes it less reliable then Indian ones.
Our ACM is “possibley talking about the future”?
Now if I say you cannot comprehend English would you be insulted? I am assuming you know the difference between past, present and future tense? Please dont feel offended but have to ask as it seems you do not understand. I will post again for you to read
“The JF-17 Thunder is capable of carrying a variety of conventional and precision-guided bombs and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles of short and ‘beyond visual’ ranges.”
Its the same as saying LCA is an all-weather multi-role fighter with BVR capability.
You are resorting to semantics rather than valid links to prove your point. He says that the thunder is capable, hardly says it has demonstrated this capability.
quadbikeQuadbike, I have given sources in all my arguments and you never seem to. Why is that? Funny heh?
Please give me a link which specifically states JF-17 BVR integration has not happened? You cannot. It is wishful thinking. I have given a link by the head of the PAF stating JF-17 is BVR capable.
not “supposed interest” Quadbike.
Egypt
Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production and signs for more F-16s
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464762/posts
Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan to buy JF-17 multirole fighters from Pakistan
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/azerbaijan/TR1TP0FHS2V26MQ9L
Its people who say BVR integration has happened that has to give the links. I update you on this very thread whatever happens on the LCA (thanks to Livefist and others).
I can make such arguments that LCA can supercruise and can ask for links to prove its not.
Mulls = considers
Yes Azerbaijan and that from topix hardly reliable. What about China ?
Indian media did not show any full pictures of Indias hme made nuke sub when it launched. If I went by your logic I would now assume India does not have a nuke sub. Afterall I saw no pictures.
Amateur hour is over Quadbike….
Its your word agains a PAF ACM. I know who I am backing.
Again apples to Oranges, The Launching of the Nuclear Sub was Widley Publicized, JF 17 BVR integration was not if it ever happened.
Many Indian Air Force officers, HAL officials and others have described LCA as all weather, multirole fighters, and about what BVR AAMS it will carry etc. It cannot yet, there is a difference. Your ACM is possibly talking about the future, I am basically saying it cannot yet.
quadbikeNo insult intended. You were the one who claimed it had no BVR or PGM capability so I would assume the onus is on you to prove your claims?
Please go back and actually read. You are implying JF-17 does not have a BVR or PGM capability because PAF have not released a picture of it with BVR or PGM?
Never ever occured to you that PAF may not want to release this picture yet?
We dont need to shout from the rooftops about everything.Idont know how old you are but let me tell you a story.
In early 80s it was assumed PAF had no PGM capability, this was the case for 10 years. PAF received no targeting pods from US and (allegedly) no PGMs.
in 1989 a book was published (Defenders of Pakistan) which showed a Paveway being loaded onto a PAF F-16. PAF claimed the picture being published was an accident. It still kept quiet and it was not till the early 90s that PAF admitted to being the only country in the world to mate a non-US targeting pod onto a US aircraft and have the capability for PGM missions.
Now have a think about that and about what else PAF chooses to show and chooses not to show.
But let me also give you some hints from someone who may have more knowledge on the JF-17 then you
“Air Chief Marshal Suleman said it was a major step towards the goal of self-reliance in military aviation industry. He said the aircraft would replace the air force’s ageing fleet of A-5s, F-7s and Mirages.
The JF-17 Thunder is capable of carrying a variety of conventional and precision-guided bombs and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles of short and ‘beyond visual’ ranges.”
Yes in 2013 we wlll probably see a picture of PAF Raptors being loaded with AMRAAMS. :rolleyes:
And the report that JF 17 is capable, I have seen similar reports about the LCA on tons of Indian news sites. The reality is that its only capable when its operationally realized.
If you look at the JF 17 in Pakistani Media every little step is covered with big fan fare, so it is inconceivable that BVR firing and testing of PGMs will not be covered.
quadbikeSome of you guys really do love putting words in my mouth?
How is PAC liek LMTAS? Where did I say that?
Just like LCA will have a MK2 version do you think Pakistan and China will now sit around and leave JF-17 development? Pakistan is in talks with several vendors for Radar, EW equipment and missiles for second batch (after first 50) of JF-17. These will be Block 2 version.
These may well be in service in a couple of years. Will they be more advanced then LCA? Who knows, but with AESA and perhaps MICA, I would go not doubt it at all.
IAF does not want LCA. Please dont give us the party line of “raising the bar”. In one sentence you say LCA is an advanced plane and then you say IAF want t raise the bar even more?
Let me give you some facts.
Egypt = Choice of US/European vendors. Negotiating for JF-17 production line.
Pakistan = JF-17 in service
Azerbajian = In negotiations for JF-17
Bangladesh = JF-17 lost competition to MIG-29sIndia = Air Force of approx 600 fighter planes. Many older MIG-21s. Number of LCA ordered for frontline use? 20? 40?
All I am saying is that the current status of JF 17 program is not as advanced as you are trying to make us believe. BVR integration has not happened yet, yes its in squadron service dropping dumb bombs. The LCA can do the same but that is not good enough for the IAF.
IAF do not want more LCA in its current from because it has much better options than the LCA MK1.
Now JF 17 may get AESA and MICA and may become the Mini-Rafale one-day, it is not that now, thats all I am saying.
So supposed interest from several countries and a confirmed loss.
quadbikeThe funny thing is in some of his earlier works Bill Sweetman used to like F 35.
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