Missed approach may be pretty similar ?
Actually if I stop oneliners and list the freebies it would possibly take several pages to describe. As for U.S turning against Libya IIRC it was the UK and France which were more pro-active there and its a case of humanitarian intervention.
US did make a Grand Bargain with Pakistan by supplying them with weapons in return for their support for war on terror, worked well as long as Musharaff was in charge and Pakistan started playing the double game after him, leading to the current situation. IMO had musharaff been in power it would have been a joint US-PAK operaiton to kill laden.
Yeah and none of you learn from history. For the non-Indians in here, the Pakistan you don’t like is a result of you abandoning Pakistan just because you didn’t need your staunch Cold War ally anymore. And you’re disgusted by their disloyalty? LOL! Go ahead and do it again.
These headlines are for the dumb voters at home. Because reality is if it’s so easy to leave Pakistan, then why don’t you do it? Because some people do remember history.
Finally you justify your user name.
The Pakistan of cold war is a far cry from the increasingly orthodox intolerant Paksitan of today, where liberal sections are increasingly under attack. May be one must look inside rather than outside.
Type 59 : Its fine to do that but not when ur getting freebies from the Yanks.
Great. I hope the US does that the next time Pakistan cries for aid relief. Maybe China can match those dollars 1 for 1.
@ Teer, thank you for the link. Really hope it keeps moving in that direction.
It is too bad Russia and the US can’t come to an understanding, and serve mutual interests in Afghanistan. Come on Medvedev, give the US expanded transit rights.
Very true TR1. They should bury the hatchet and co-operate on Afghanistan. US-Russia co-operation should be one of the pillars that Americas future China policy be based on.
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If America wants to destroy its long term security over small time gains ? Who are we to stop them. Like arming Taleban and Mujahideen bit them in their backside, so will arming Pakistan in the long-term.
Why always go the western way when it comes to development ? Why always seek the cutting edge and bite more than you can swallow at the time ? A simpler Russian inspired design with Russian engines would have made Tejas operational by now (remember the years lost to sanctions).
Same with this engine JV always going and looking at the west, saturn/kilmov,salyut etc would have made better partners and produced an adequate engine for the next gen fighter in time. This obsession with the cutting edge of technology is holding India back.
Yes well we are going to be using that to defend our country and so will the Russians be. So screw aestheticsI hope it gets F 22 style nozzles.
Won’t the Final variant have different nozzles.
Light Utility Helicopter ? IIRC it participated in Indian trials for the same.
UK proposes building future warships with India
With defence ministry shipyards unable to meet the Indian Navy’s growing need for warships, New Delhi had no choice but to look to Russian shipyards. Now, with the UK looking to partner India to cut Britain’s warship building costs, one of India’s new private defence shipyards — which have high-tech facilities but no experience in building large, complex warships — could get the opportunity to build its first line of world-class frigates.
Business Standard has learned that a cash-strapped UK government has approached New Delhi to jointly design and build a next-generation frigate, designated the Global Combat Ship (GCS). While the UK had originally planned to build this alone (then designated the Type 26 frigate), shrinking defence budgets have forced it to seek international partners. And so India, along with other countries, including Brazil, has been invited into a consortium to design and build the GCS.
The British shipyard that will participate in the GCS project belongs to BAE Systems. The MoD in New Delhi will nominate an Indian shipyard. With the public sector shipyards unable to deliver even the existing orders on time, South Block has little choice but to turn to one of the three new private defence shipyards: L&T; Pipavav; or ABG Shipyard.
“There have been meetings at the government-to-government level. There are continued discussions with the Indian government. There has been clear interest from the Indian Navy. But nobody has made a commitment yet”, says Andrew Gallagher, President, BAE Systems India. The response of the other countries approached by the UK is not known.
Senior MoD officials say off the record that no decision is imminent on the British offer. But they admit that the offer is attractive, since it would provide a learning opportunity for one of India’s big new private sector shipyards to gain experience in building frigates.
The three private shipyards already have orders for small vessels for the navy and the coast guard, none larger than a few hundred tonnes. A frigate, which typically weighs between 5000-6500 tonnes and has complex electronic battle management systems, is far more difficult to design and build.
BAE Systems has described to Business Standard how Whitehall envisages the designing and building of the GCS. The countries that eventually form the consortium would join heads to frame broadly common specifications for the warship. Presently the GCS is planned as a flexi-role frigate; this means that each vessel could be optimised for any one of the three traditional frigate roles: anti-submarine; air-defence; or as a general-purpose frigate. To cater for these different roles and for the different requirements of the participating countries, the basic GCS design would have 80% commonality in design and components, with 20% remaining flexible.
While design responsibility would be shared between consortium members, each country would build its own frigates. This would protect jobs in the politically sensitive warship-building industry in the west. In the case of India, it would develop the capabilities of a fledgling shipyard.
“The Indian Navy has significant warship requirements, and so India would be extremely influential in such a partnership… The GCS commonality would generate operational benefits between friendly navies. And the additional benefit would be that a user, say the Indian Navy, could logistically support these frigates from ports in friendly foreign countries that operate the same ship”, says Gallagher, making the case for India’s participation.
For the force structure of Britain’s Royal Navy, the GCS, (or Type 26 frigate) is crucial. It survived the UK’s budget cuts of 2008 by paring down the Royal Navy’s order for the successful Type 45 destroyer. Last year, the Type 26 frigate survived the ruthless spending cuts imposed in Britain’s Strategic Defence and Security Review. But now, with Whitehall having concluded it cannot go it alone, the partnership of countries like India is essential.
So far, India has entered joint development projects only with Russia and Israel and those in the fields of aeronautics and missiles. But the MoD realises the need to expand warship building to the private sector. Defence shipyards, besides already running to capacity, are plagued by time and cost overruns.
Last week, responding to a question in parliament, Defence Minister AK Antony admitted, “The cost escalation in major indigenous warship building projects of the Navy, which are running behind schedule, has already been about 225% for Project-15A (destroyers), about 260% for Project-17 (frigates) and about 157% for Project-28 (anti-submarine corvettes).”
Bury the Hatchet with China and Build Ships together. 😀
They seem to be delivering things on time.
Yeah, but China just threw money at getting Varyag ready. It’s likely no one will ever know how much thanks to the lack of transparency.
Well they got it done in time. Bigger ship ! Arguably better aircraft ! More aircraft !
Great work by the Chinese on the Varyag the Gorshkov is still not ready 🙁
Come on man, we’ve been through this :cool:.
Cool black matte paint and doctoring are nice and all….
:p I never said it would be more capable. Just like its looks.
The race is on I would like to see which of the two gets into service first.
I have my bet on the Chinese, they have unlimited funding and seem to move things much faster. For example the Gorshkov and Varyag, the latter has started sea trials….
Buying which ever Mirage 2000 and MIG 29 which are available (I think if we want that there are quite a lot that can be bought) M2Ks will be 2000-5 standard and we can upgrade the 29s to UPG standard. This as an interim while ordered an addition 40+ LCA MK1 and another batch of Su 30MKI.
This will cover for the MIG 21s and 27s, the Jaguars are going to be re-engined and there is no need for them to retire anytime soon, with DARIN III they make top stirke aircraft.
The LCA MK 2 and PAK FA will be available in the latter part of the decade.
As for the F 35 ? Who knows may be down the line if there are problem with deliveries of some products but as of now, skipping this awfully delayed MRCA won’t make much difference. Especially looking at the prices they are going for.
Other posters may disagree and have their points (to be fair IAF seem to agree with them), but the MRCA may run into difficulty because the IAF did not keep a cheaper option in the fray if either the F 16, Gripen or MIG made the cut we would not have been discussing the potential of a cancellation.
All depends on the prices and the attitude of the Ministry of Finance, which in India can pull the plug off defense deals (like it did with the Airbust MRTT)
That thing is so much better looking/finished than the PAK FA.