US based = MUST follow US laws = dodgy supplier based on previous US embargo’s against India.

Whom says India has to purchase MBDA weapons from the US division? If they don’t want to have to deal with MBDA Inc then they could, and would, and have done, deal with MBDA Europe/UK, i.e. the main company. Of which they have done without any difficulties involved.

How does it matter? Libya was hardly a realistic modern AA environment.

So then what other weapons systems is there available that has had a more rigorous, more realistic, more of a heavy A/A environment, which has involved demanding situations?

Rafale costs are high, and has greater baggage wrt supplier relaibility – in either/or scenario PAK-FA is better

That doesn’t answer anything. That’s just you making noise. Would you like to elaborate further?

MICA IR = good = MBDA = partially owned by BAE Systems = US based = dodgy supplier with regards to India

How so?… Being US Based (MBDA Inc) has little to nothing to do with being a “dodgy supplier”, what is designed and produced in Europe and whom they do business with has nothing to do with the US division.

ASSM = good given the state of Libyan air defenses = unproven in combat conditions which India will face

What would India face? Do be realistic and don’t say China.

Rafale machine interface is good, but with either/or decision, the better choice is PAK-FA for the long run.

How have you come to such a conclusion?

We can all accept nature as it’s a way of life, it’s beautiful as it is brutal… It’s when the Human element is added, then it’s a total f*ck up!

As for a prediction, it is not possible at this stage …. but at a guess, Raikkonen shows that he is slightly the better driver than Alonso. Alonso throws a big strop, Ferrari favour Alonso with new parts etc. Raikkonen tells Ferrari to stick their job up there a…

It’s going to be very interesting at Ferrari this year, (remember Senna and Prost at McLaren?), I foresee strained relations at Ferrari sooner rather than later. However, they have the strongest driver line-up by far out of all the teams. Both of them are two of the most consistent drivers in the field, if they get along well and the F14-T is half decent, they’re going to be pretty formidable.

Same old stuff….

Do I really have to repeat what I just said previously, really?

P.S. Check up on recent news about a Corrupt Europe and how much it costs us a year as a result.

P.P.S. The answers are right in front of you…

Oh and, by the way… Definition of a “Proper Carrier”.…?

Huge Formula 1 fan here! Been a fan ever since I could remember, according to those that have known me the longest, ever since I could walk – early/mid ’80s. Properly got into it when Damon Hill started racing in F1, favourite driver, met him on three occasions and a top guy too.

I’m looking forward to this season, as ever with any past ones. New changes, new challenges, not really a new era of Formula 1 cars though. Low noses, limited aerodynamics, 1.6 V6 Turbo engines… Ehmmm… ’80s Formula 1 cars… Anyone? I seem to remember they were quick, brutally quick. However, they’re no match for the bonkers V10s of the ’90s and ’00s.

With regards to the low noses, I wouldn’t want to be in any ’14 F1 car, especially the Mercedes and Ferrari, when the guy in front suddenly brakes, I hit the back of it, lefts up and throws the car’s ar$e end right towards where my head is. No thanks! Ironically, for the 1996 season, the FIA called for new regulations for the F1 cars to have a more blunted, rounded form to prevent punctures and, be much higher to, I quote: ‘Preventing the upshift of a car in front in the event of a collision.’ In other words, stopping the car from flipping ar$e over tit and smacking the driver’s bonce. The FIA have short memories… Must be all those Nazi Gimp Sessions they have.

Your loathful attitude to the rest of Europe and the very concept of a United European Military shows just that!

Wow… What a tragic mess of a post.

Would you like to point out where I’ve had a loathful attitude to rest of Europe, ever on this forum? Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us?

I do not agree with all of Europe’s policies in the same way I do not agree with a lot of British policies. Having such disagreements doesn’t mean I have any special kinds of hatred towards any of the countries involved. What I do agree with what Europe does, I there for support, the same can be said for what the UK does, that doesn’t also mean I’m Pro-British nor an Ultranationalist.

I do not agree with a “United European Military” because ‘I believe’ it will not work. Each European country have different requirements and have different views on world matters. I asked you a question on a likely scenario of deploying one or two Aircraft Carriers and how to solve the differences of the EU’s matters. You totally ignored it. So, how can you have a United European Military when you can’t even solve that seemingly simple situation?

Again, not agreeing with such an idea does not mean I, nor anyone else for that matter, has a special kind of hatred for the idea. Do learn how to know the differences.

I may be hypocritical (no one is perfect) but i’m not the only one.

Then you ought to get to grips with being hypocritical. It’s one thing being hypocritical, it’s rather astonishing to admit you have such a downfall.

What other conclusion one can draw after your posts here? Some time ago i (probably mistakenly) alluded about being an EDL sympathiser or whatever, which you categorically denied (to put it mildly). But this whole anti-european diatribe what does it says about what political spectrum you’re part of?

Yes, the EDL (English Defence League) sympathiser remark, to the members unaware of their existents, they’re just a modern day Nazi Party. An easy remark to state when someone doesn’t agree with one’s, lets say, ‘ideal world’, so to speak.

See above, and again, feel free to enlighten us.

So let me get this straight, you as an apparently fearsome defender of british identity and viscerally loathful about anything to do with an United Europe concept (in which UK would play a leading role anyway), you’re perfectly happy for a foreign hegemonic neo-imperialist power from 5000 miles to tell you what you do in your own country, having constantly undermined the british aerospace industry, starting from right after WW2 (remember the M-52?), then on to the catastrophe of 1965-66 (remember the parliament traitors lobbying for UK to ditch remarkable and promising local designs and buy american, which mostly got **** up anyway) on to things like the cancellation of Nimrod AEW in lieu of E-3 and then the vertiginous drop after the Cold War…

See above, again… Moving onto the point of, ‘in which UK would play a leading role anyway.’ You’re harping on about “Independence”, so what is “Independent” about a “United European Military” when another country takes a leading role? Once again, you’re ignoring the very likely chances of something called, ‘Disagreements.’ Which would occur.

I’m rather aware of the situations in the past that you’ve pointed out, what they have to do with this discussion is something totally off topic. Regardless, am I happy? No, of course not. What can I do to make things better… Move on, worry about things that have an affect on one’s life. What happened in the past cannot be altered in the future unless you have access to a Delorean fitted with a Flux Capacitor, otherwise tough titty.

…industry reduced today to the multi-national Typhoon, which by the looks of things will be the very LAST british manned fighter ever made, and replaced with this F-35 of which UK will make “rear fuselages” they say? As a british citizen are you happy with that? Really ??!

Are you having difficulties distinguishing the difference Multinational and British? Are you also having a bit of Brain Fade, BAE Hawk not ring a bell?… Aren’t you also aware of that what Britain produces today that isn’t just military fast jets?… No, not ehm… Aware… of anything?… Anything else in particular?… Not done your research on other areas?…

Getting out of the Stewie Griffin sarcasm.*

Regarding that quote, am I happy as a British citizen, really? While keeping in mind what the country produces as a whole. Yes, I am. While it would be nice if we had ‘Made in Great Britain’ gear I would be just as happy enough to go multinational, more specifically, contributing to European, i.e. Eurofighter. It brings Europe as a whole closer together in developing what we/they do best, so long as it works well, and it jolly does more often than not, then it’s a positive chapter in my book. Oh dear, am I showing my loathfulness Anti-European side again? Tsk-Tsk.

It is this nocive and poisonous mentality that created the situation today, the loath of your fellow european neighbour, that increasingly leaves us at the mercy of US interests and moods, them being masterfully able to exploit such stupidity (see the Middle East, Asia etc.). By the looks of it after Typhoon the british aerospace industry will have basically died forever, would the swedish manage to build that FS-2020? Chances don’t look good unless there will be joint participation with other countries, if not, their aerospace industry will be dead too. Would the french, the only one who more or less managed to maintain a high degree of independence, be able to build a successor for Rafale? Well today, their cronies at the top are competing with UK as the most obedient US vassal, so chances are they might buy F-35s too! Once this is done then that’s it the european aerospace will be completely dead. Even if in the 12th hour we would have woken up and wish to finally stand for ourselves, we couldn’t we would be totally defenseless. A mere Canada (oh speaking of which, remember their Arrow story?) or Australia to the US, if not worse, like Mexico, or even worse than that (like ME today, everyone against everyone, and everyone buying US crap while oppressing their own peoples, making the US MIC and their oligarchs more and more filthy rich). There will be only 3, maybe 4 fully independent aerospace industries (and countries) left, US, China, Russia and maybe India, we’ll see. We will be history.

You have quite a view on the rest of the world, very loathing like…

‘I’d love to stay and chat. But you’re a complete b*tch!’

– Stewie Griffin.

Excuse me?! YOU come here with your ultranationalistic crap and and “i know better” patronizing attitude, not even posting a single word about aviation and I’M the troll? That’s a bit rich don’t you think? Not to worry though, i’ve met enough british folks to know that you’re not a majority, with all due respect.

Ah-ha, uh-hum… Yes, yeah… “Ultra Nationalistic Crap”, so by that I assume you mean I was posting stuff about, I dunno say, how amazing and wonderful Great Britain is and how the rest of the world isn’t etc. etc. etc. Would you like to provide any evidence of me doing so? Or don’t you know the meaning of ‘Ultra-Nationalism’? Again, as mentioned before, you’re being hypocritical after your remarks about the US. Funny you didn’t quote that part, isn’t it not?

Also, I’m still waiting for you to provide some evidence which suggests I’m a UKIP sympathiser, from a good few months ago.

Besides, with regards to whole topic of a “United European Airforce”, do you really think you can discuss military aviation without bringing in politics? In case you didn’t notice, if you want to have this United European Air Arm then a political debate is just as important, even more so in many cases. The clues are right in front of you, they’re in the name you created, i.e. ‘European’ and ‘United’.

Also, if it makes you happy about discussing military aviation, then here it goes. Your optimistic views about Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen are exactly that, optimistic. Might I add highly unrealistic due to the lack of political willingness. There you go, see how the political side enters the debate…