Really, I was thinking a possible solution. Is India could cancel the Rafale Deal. Then as a carrot to France. They could intergrade a number of French Avionics and Weapons on the FGFA! On top of that then India could likely greatly increase the number of FGFA’s in could purchase!
That’s not a realistic solution. You forget the human element involved, relations. If India cancelled the Rafale negotiations in favour of fitting French avionics and weapons onto an aeroplane of non-French origin, how would anyone in the right mind would think that would go down? With their current situation; not the healthiest economy, Rafale production and the AdA’s rather stupid (and hilarious) new “Tier 2” programme (indication they’re struggling with funding), it would be an absolute disaster for France. Totally unacceptable.
Wonderful video, thank you!
Good video, brings back memories. I wonder how many takes they needed to make this? At 1.01 minutes, when the canopy comes down, the CJIU safety pin is still installed and he hasn’t got his shoulder straps done up so hasn’t bothered with a harness at all. I guess they were getting bored with takes by this point.
Off topic, but reminds me. I remember reading many moons ago. In the ’70s or ’80s an RAF Jaguar Pilot was preparing to take-off but he didn’t strap himself into the seat, taxied, took off and as soon as he took off he had some serious issues (don’t remember if it were a bird strike) that caused both engines to konk out, so he had to eject… so obviously he had to quickly strap himself in then pull the ejection handle. Luckily enough he done it in time, probably a world record now, and got out fine. He survived to get a bollocking of a life time I heard.
An absolute shame. By far my favourite character in Only Fools and Horses. R.I.P, old fella. You’ll surely be missed!
A memorable quote:
Albert: ‘How did you walk into a ‘Mind Your Head’ sign, didn’t you see it?’
Trigger: ‘Of course I saw it! But in those days I couldn’t read!’
I think the priority for Red Flag is to make sure RAIDS is integrated on the aircraft. At the moment, the Typhoon is making kills but as there is no ASRAAM with RAIDS capability to prove it, the Yanks won’t accept the kill. They may get a surprise this time!
I’m under the impression the Yanks were very impressed with the kill ratio RAF Typhoons tally’d up, they underestimated Typhoon’s BVR capabilities it also seemed.
I would suppose the former too. I’d guess the trials and exercises at home are a priority first before they’re sent on international exercises. Saying that, I’d also suppose a mixed fleet could be sent to Red Flag ’14 if the needs arise.
Thanks for the heads up regarding the Taurus trials as well. It’d be interesting following the progress along side the Storm Shadow trials. 🙂
Thanks for the heads up, Scorpion82.
Tweeted earlier today by Reporter RAF News:
“From 27 Jan #RAF Typhoon, Tornado and E3D units are talking part in Red Flag 14-1, the most challenging and complex air exercise of the year.”
They got the ‘Slayer’ nickname last time, wonder what they’d get this time round? :dev2:
France’s Tier-2 Programme.
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I think they wacked in a APG-66 (Maybe even a downgraded version). As far as the US is concerned, still not a major offensive asset. Even used F-16 C/Ds would be a big over these. That will simply not happen, especially with the UK-US alliance being more important for both sides these days.
I recall an APG-type radar though I don’t recall if it was downgraded or not. A lot of it was down to the weapons and navigation systems… Unfortunately I no longer have the Air Forces Monthly Issue the report was featured in for any references, it was indeed a very fascinating read though.
My best is on maybe a Gripen lease (under very favourable Swedish terms, with perhaps an opportunity to join Brazil’s Gripen NG buy at a later date) or maybe a FC-1 buy with some of the options Pakistan has put in (MAR 1 missile, AIM-9s etc.).
The Gripen would be a wonderful choice for Argentina, but it has too many British (or British related and highly sensitive) systems installed, there are also many more American systems which would have an impact on Argentina’s choice. As you stated yourself a moment ago, UK-US alliance being more important these days…
No pun intended, but having seen Pete Collins logbook, Yak 130, M346, Tornado (3 types), F16, Mirage 2000, KAI T50, test pilot on Harrier VAAC etc. Hardly what some said about his lack of credibility on modern types after his Rafale test in Flight… (explains some of my reluctance EElighting)
Am I missing something here, Halloweene?
I dont think it is a simple case of what the Air Force may prefer, financing will always be an issue with Argentina, we all know that, Spain (F-1M) and Israel (Upgraded Kifir) may be cost efficient options, but Argentina may require financing from the seller. US can easily do this, maybe even as FMF, but they will not give top line kit. Russia may offer SU-30, and in the light of Venazuala’s purchase, this may tempt Argentina, and certainly give them a massive increase in capability. Also do not discount China and potential FC-1/J-20 sales. Argentina has massive reserves of borate, copper, lead and zinc that China requires. A deal to supply high end missile defence and fighter planes may well be possible, certainly in the light of Turkey recently choosing (althought not having finalised) a Chinese high end missile system
Indeed. A few years ago, the US upgraded a number Argentina’s A-4 Skyhawks which led them to be rather effective, so much so, as it turned out they were probably on par, better even, than any other A-4 operator’s. What upgrades and enhancements they received exactly, one doesn’t recall but nevertheless they proved to be a very compelling, capable platform when they were deployed to the US for training exercises. I believe back then their [Argentina] economy was no better, or worse, than it is today. So, if they choose to select say, Kfir, one would suspect they’d find it easy enough both financially and in an accessible sense to find options for enhancements and upgrades, if they’re needed.
why so serious? everyone’s having fun.
for some one who threatens daily to leave the forum you keep coming back
perhaps you are a bit of a masochist?
There’s a world of difference in having fun and having a sensible discussion compared to having fun and having a childish discussion. Sadly for the forum, the latter is all too common.
Threatens on a ‘daily basis’, really? You over exaggerate to quite a degree. Also, Masochist? Since Masochism couldn’t be even further away from being discussed within the thread or the entire forum for that matter, one wonders why you brought it up in the first place, which indicates you’re suffering from such a gratification yourself.
Now shhh, there’s a good chap… Let the adults speak now, don’t bother to reply, you have enough issues as it is. Besides, I’ve got more interesting things to get on with in life with.
Ta-Ta!
Speaking of which, if FAA is looking at Kfirs, then why not Gripen, new or second hand? Certainly it would be cheaper to run, and can get customized weapon fits for them if they want to (if they want say certain stand-off/ anti-ship weapons).
One wondered the same option, until one thought of the amount of British hardware there is on-board this particular aeroplane.
A sensible debate ruined by a particular person wanting to start a ‘[Type here what Argentina will go for next] vs Typhoon’ thread…
Different year, same old sh*te…
Well I will say again, for years the Argentine airforce has refused to consider second hand jets including Kfir and have turned down a number of offers. The Argentine government has refused to fund new Western jets or second hand M2000 which the FAA are prepared to shift their position on. Finally the Argentine government orders them to start negotiations for a stop gap the F-1M. The FAA then realise that they might well end up with a number of elderly jets that will rapidly move on from being a stop gap, whilst the avionics and weapons fit on the F-1M is comprehensive it is hardly state of the art. All of a sudden the Argentine Air Force have a change of heart over buying the Kfir. They at least have state of the art avionics and a modern weapons fit and whilst based on refurbished airframes they are in an as new condition offering at least twenty to thirty years good service.
I’m rather bewildered why the FAA have knocked back a number of options over the years, what they’ve had proposed are hardly anything ancient, not up to date but would be effective nevertheless. If they used their resources efficiently they could still have a rather top notch fleet and at least keep up to speed with what they have, or would have, until they had replacements. Out of all what’s on offer and what they can afford now, Kfir easily seems the best option.
SH may have a very modern AESA but because EF has lagged behind it will have the most modern AESA when it finally gets one.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Through various AESA programmes the Captor-E can be traced way back to the early/mid ’90s. Despite when it’ll be introduced, it has a lot of know-how involved, more than many give it credit for.
Eurofighter is currently being offered with AESAs, the CAESAR.
Major error there. CAESAR is no more than a demonstrator, nothing more, nothing less. Captor-E (AESA) is what’s in development now.
Regarding Hopsalot’s source of the AESA and the 2021 year. It states that; ‘The RAF expects to reach full operational capability with an active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar in 2021. There’s a whole lot of difference between ‘reaching full operational capability’ and say, ‘being introduced to service’. 2021 is what was stated for ‘Radar-3’ in another source, i.e. UK specific requirement AESA. ‘Radar-1’ (an export specific AESA) and ‘Radar-2’ (partner/operator nations specific AESA) will be introduced much sooner, probably as early as 2015 as a deal is due to be signed in mid 2014.