True, though, isn’t it?
Who says the UAE would have purchased the Typhoon as it is now? If they wanted a “developed” aeroplane then they wouldn’t have looked at it in the first place.
Good bnew for the UAE, so they won´t buy the least developed fighter offered.
You must have had so many sleepless nights trying to think that one up.
‘The UAE have advised that they have elected not to proceed with these proposals at this time.’
With BAE Systems having announced that they weren’t expecting a deal to be signed, ‘highly unlikely’ they stated, any time soon, i.e. in no rush to get anything signed, its no surprise that the UAE have just announced that they have elected not to proceed, “at this time”. ‘At this time’ being much more positive than what Dassault got; ‘Unworkable and uncompetitive!’.
New Stormshadow imagery care of The Aviationist:
Much appreciated, rather odd how the weapon looks much better than the twin-stick Typhoon.
I suspect we’ll see Taurus on-board Typhoon any time now. It was said that both missiles will have their first flights this year.
No doubt there are a few Boeing execs who want to hang Edward Snowden up by his toes at the moment, the deal was pretty much in the bag for Boeing right up to the leaking of NSA data gathering. Frankly 2013 hasn’t been a good year for US relations with the rest of the world considering all the revelations about intelligence gathering.
Indeed, at the very least it’s damage limitation for the US with the number of their components installed on the Gripen. Not ideal obviously, but they have something out of it, as do the UK too for that matter.
Rii,
Looking further ahead it’ll be interesting to see if Sea Gripen gets off the ground, although we likely won’t hear anything on that score before the end of the decade. One bonus is that it could serve on Sao Paulo as well as a new carrier, which would make the transition period easier.
Still early days yet, however this decision has made the chances of a Sea Gripen likely now, it’s now down to requirements and R&D. If the Sea Gripen comes to light and market for a Carrier capable Aircraft is healthy it’d put it’s chances in good light, possibly being a competitor for Dassault is this area. Rather interesting.
I’ve said it once or twice before, I’ll say it again; while the makers of Typhoon and Rafale fight it out on trying to get a one up on one another, the little Gripen is picking up the exports. Now watch certain supporters kick up a fuss.
As always, a fully deserved win for the Gripen!
It’s bleak for all 4.5 Generation Fighters………
Hardly…
They’re still sought after in the Middle East where there’s potential serious threats, India/far east, South America, Australia and they’re still being delivered to European nations. Russia, China and the US are still producing these so-called “4.5 Generation” fighters in large quantities. One would hardly call that “bleak”.
As one pretty much said elsewhere, this “Generation” thing is rather overestimated.
Is it possible for some posters here to sober up and stop this Nationalistic ranting. Its embarressing to read..
There are other People whom follow these threads.
Here-here!
Also, this “Next-Generation” argument is being thrown about way too much, it’s a very overestimated subject. I think even the LM promotion team would seriously think about drawing a line somewhere, and they don’t even know where it is anyway.
What a load of bull.
Which bits?
Sometimes I try to read this thread, in hope of reading some news about the F-35 and some opinions from fellow users about the program, but all the time all I get are 2 pages filled with argumentation about users which lack to have any reference to then F-35.
Just a noisy chit-chat between 2 or more users that doesn’t add any clarification about thhis program.It’s just user X that states that user Y doesn’t have any clue, and both agree that user Z stinks.
After reading 2 whole pages of this thread it’s still hard understand if user X is trying to point out the pros or cons of the program. There is no actual reference at all to the very subject of the discussion, and all these users names are melted all together in a monstrous blob where it’s hard to discriminate one user from another. All of you spamming this thread and arguing each other are just becoming the same entity; babel tower could not have been so confused as this thread.
Then I turn to some other site and I finally get some information and some point of view expressed in civil and discernable way about the F-35.
Here-here!
With regards to Tranche 1 units, they’re not in storage, they’re in very good use. At the moment, until Tranche 2s receive P1E, the former are actually the more capable and versatile Tranche. Also, they’re receiving upgrades and enhancements with elements coming from enhancements for Tranche 2 aircraft and they’re rather active taking part in national and international exercises. However, there is, or was, talk of them being replaced by the F-35B but those talks have gone cold, somewhat.
And still it does not include the cost of all the sitting Typhoon MkI that are of no use.
What sitting Typhoon MKI(?) that are of no use?
Thought one would post some snippets from a report in AIR International, ‘Slayer Typhoon’, by Mark Ayton. November ’13.
The author (Ayton) was to keen know how well the Typhoons performed in the air-to-air role, their current primary tasking in RAF service. “It’s always a very interesting question, mused the XI Squadron boss. “If we consider close-in fighting (within visual range), such a judgement can be based purely on the performance of which jet can get to which place. But that depends on so many things. In beyond visual range scenarios red air fighters operated with performance limitations to their missiles and radars to accurately simulate the perceived threats of the future. And a lot of the types we were fighting against were clean and didn’t have extra stores they might typically carry on an operational sortie. Typhoon on the other hand flew in its standard fit. So in terms of pure performance I have not seen Typhoon lacking in any area against jets like the Hornet and Super Hornet, even the F-22, and if you have a 9g fighter with excess thrust (which Typhoon has) then you have options. So do we have any concerns about killing the opposing aircraft in a within-visual-range scenario? Absolutely not.”
Later on the report*
The air-to-air role was one aspect that the Typhoons excelled in at Red Flag. “I lost count of the number of aircraft we shot down,” said the Typhoon pilot. “During the air-to-air debrief of one mission, the squadron’s weapons instructor got a standing ovation for killing six out of six in approximately one-and-a-half-minutes. Each shot was validated in the shot evaluation. The pilot got the nick name ‘Slayer’. But we didn’t go up every time and shot down six out of six.”
With that being said, despite the fact that most of this particular forum hates the airplane, I’d argue it’s still a good value for the money.
Despite not being one of it’s biggest fans, one must admire the aeroplane nevertheless. The French/Dassault/Rafale Fan Boys harp on about their “Omni-Role” fighter but it was this aircraft that led the way of being an all rounder, all capabilities possible, carrier/land capable platform, of the modern day.
On one level Eurofighter have said that Typhoon is a “Lightning killer”…
I’m still quite a bit behind on Typhoon news at the moment, but I’ve not heard anything from Eurofighter GmbH referring to the Typhoon as a “Lightning Killer”.
The Mig vs. F-16 thing has been beaten to death, I’ve never heard any pilot slag their ride in an interview. Obviously they talk about the strengths of their aircraft…
It’s not part of the discussion but, you’ve not heard any interviews from RAF pilots about their Tornado F2/3s? There’s countless accounts of them not being satisfied with the aircraft. ‘Handles like a Bathtub.’ is a one that stands out most. Or what about RAF Lightning pilots, surely they loved it, but many feared it. Most pilots that flew the F-104 said it went like a Dart, unfortunately they also stated it flew and landed like a Dart.