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AN/TPS-80. 2-4 GHz GaN AESA,
AN/TPY-2 being upgraded with GaN TRM
New Patriot GaN array for export (Poland)
LTAMS Patriot replacement for the Patriot, GaN
TPY-X L-band GaN
Legacy AN/FPS-117 L-band (currently being updated)

Not counting dual use large fixed arrays used mostly for BMD/DEW

US largely ignored Air Surveillance/defense radars and systems for the better part of two decades after the Cold War. That has changed in a hurry the last 8-9 years.

Yeah they definitely exist, but organizationally and in mil theory land-based AD plays a more minor role in the US mil mindset than the Russian one (after all NATO is next door, US is more navy and air force centric) – plus I was more thinking about smaller F-35 operators, the kind who will get a few dozen planes in the next decade.
They generally have a few (or will buy) 3d AESA for early detection and airspace control in a more or less permanent fixture, with occasionally lip service to field dispersion.

Nothing is panacea, but ever since Desert Storm Soviet/then Russian planners have had to account for reduced RCS aircraft and munitions being employed en-masse.

Given “potential enemies” nearby, a couple dozen Su-57s will make a fairly small difference in terms of protecting the Russian border + assets near abroad.
We will see S-500 deployed before Su-57 does I would wager (baring two air-frames 2019-2020).

No evidence for that. What do you think Turkey has been trying to do with their purchase of F-35 + S-400. China is certainly interested in buying types of weapon system, and as for those countries already buying F-35…

What do you mean “no evidence of that”?
Have you not seen the VHF and UHF mobile emitters China has been rolling out alongside its domestic SAMs?

Russia puts more emphasis on an AD net and ground based AD than some operators who will be buying F-35, and have utterly anemic AD.

Different priorities, different solutions.

Yes i know about Izd 30, but we do not know exactly when it will be a reliable engine for enter on serial production, maybe 3-4 years or maybe more….

But you know on beggining they are talking about “around 67 units” for 2020 whith the currents engines,…after it was reduced to 12 and now will be 2 units. Of course, something happened and it was not because are waiting for the izd 30.

60 airframes by 2020 was GPV goal. GPV goals are not contracts, they are rough figures set as a general outline for the decade. Essentially the figure was set before the Su-57 ever flew, and had nothing to do with Sukhoi or how the program was developed.
People conflate GPV goals with actual air force planning, when that is simply not how it works. Just look earlier on this forum- years ago nobody who actually followed the program though there would be real numbers before 2020.

And we know specific things that happened, like air-frame cracking that led to serious re-work around 2013-2014.
But this kind of thing happens when you have high performance goals and use new materials.

3-4 years is probably a safe guess, and is fine as far as VKS is concerned. Meanwhile there will be small numbers of 117 powered airframes delivered yearly to develop combat tactics and push the weapon envelope (already happening at Akhtubinsk).

It’s clear that you know nothing about healthy debates. Spreading bull**** supported by a doubtful sources, groundless statements and sliding away from any answers backed by proofs is kinda a contrary thing to a “healthy debate”.

Results of 2018 for Russia: budget surplus of 2.74 trillion rubles. 42bn$ or 3.5 programs equal in cost to the PAK-FA. Russian economy is far from healthy shape, but it is “not broke enough” to not handle any important military program.

Please don’t quote insecure trolls, then other people have to read their nonsense.

But yeah, even its large defense budget aside, the notion that Russia is broke literally after the first time it has posted a budget surplus since 2014 is funny timing indeed lol.

What I find intersting is that RT and Sputnik are relating this event. It shows that Russia has a clear focus on the rafale to relate stories like that. I am often amazed by their speed to pick even some relatively minor event…Sometimes even faster than some French local media !

I mean a Russian defense official says “We are waiting for the final engine and are in no rush to induct the Su-57” and the entire Western press spergs out about how the Su-57 is cancelled for the next 6 months.

People like clickbaity stuff.

NIKOLAI LITOVKIN doesn’t sound very Indian to me

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tec…te-indian-su57

Although quite honestly 300M out of 6B isn’t that much. So I can understand Russian reluctance to transfer technology
its more the thought that Russia is very willing to do business with India’s main enemy, when you know in the end China will simply just reverse engineer what they need. This doesn’t benefit Russia either.

Him being Russian does not magically make him a good source on anything. RBHT is not exactly the site to source re. the PAK-FA program.
Though their basic argument in that article is pretty obvious- India either could not, or did not want to pay what was required to be a full partner in the program. They have had messy mix ups and back and forths with even much simpler Tejas and 4th gen gen MMRCA, no reason to think their 5th gen procurement would be any simpler. Also, they are waiting on Su-57 to become a mature platform with its launch customer (VKS) before committing to what will inevitably be an extremely long process of setting up “made in India” or w/e you want to call it domestic production. God knows it is taking Knaaz enough time, and it is IN Russia.

Note how there is no actual program insider quoted in that article.
Like I said, I have yet to see any evidence 300 million actually went to developing anything for Su-57, unless you count preliminary work for FGFA, and even then, was it all actually spent?
The 6 billion claim is equally suspect IMO, especially given the import substitution that wormed its way into the program post 2014, and the remaining engine work.

So far there is nothing to seriously indicate Russia is considering selling the Su-57 to China, nor that China is interested.
They did sell Su-35, but that was an export program from the start anyways.
China is a bigger trade partner to Russia in any case, so them doing military business is a no brainer.

Boooooring…
You know nothing.

lol, you know Scooter is a running joke on this forum right? Add him to your ignore list and move on.

He is comically clueless about anything non-American, and does nothing but spout American fanboyism.

Earlier this decade he was making the claims that VKS would not purchase hundreds of new Flankers. As with every one of his predictions, he was laughably wrong.
Now he is desperately and insecurely grasping on to the comical notion pandered in certain English news media that the Su-57 won’t be mass produced. Years ago it was clear what was really happening in regards to mass production (post 2020, maybe 2022/2023 when izd 30 is ready for serial production and Knaaz has actually been refitted with a production line for the plane), the only difference is the initial 117 batch was cut down to just enough to flog the air-frame, test weapons at Akhtubinsk and probably a few airframes for Lipetsk to develop tactics with.

There is of course zero actual evidence about performance failures as well, past the air-frame difficulties that had in the first half of this decade, but that is what happens when you have extremely high performance goals 😉 as well as wide-spread use of new materials that the Soviet-legacy planes largely lacked.