750NM combat radius on internal fuel?. Even Rafale does not have it and is lighter weight and economical engines.

http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/Eurofighter/tech.php

and what will be the empty weight without those 40% composites and useing CRTs and 700KG weigh of radar.

it still uses a mechanically scanned radar, but if you want to see the weight using CRT + no composite, that you would have to ask EADS.
If I can see where you are going at. You are saying 1 tonne is saved from lighter avionics + radar and then the remaining is saved by using more composite material. And some how that will reduce the weight by 25%.

there is no such thing as twin seat new Su-35. there is reason for TWO large MFI cocpkit.

su-35ub
http://www.deagel.com/pandora/su-35ub_pm00289006.aspx
according to Chinese, su-30mkk has 85% commonality with su-35ub.

with half fuel tank a fighter like Typhoon cannot even reach the required height for supercruise. it will simply run out of gas. and external tanks create alot of drag. the new Su-35 has 3600KM range at high profile with 4 missiles and 1590 KM at low altitude.

Typhoon has a 750 nm combat radius. Are you telling me flying 375 nm is not enough for it to reach the required height for supercruise?

how u came to this conclusion?

because Typhoon already uses composite extensively (to the tune of 40%) and it sure didn’t reduce its weight by 25%

It is 25% takeoff weight. so taking everything into calculation. and Sukhoi director has clearly said at Chinese airshow that it is lighter than F-18E.

are you talking about the single seated or twin seated su-35?

u said full weopon load? 90KN is afterburning thrust. Non-afterburning thrust is around 60KN. and how loaded weopon weight is 15.5 ton? 4.9 ton fuel alone makes it 15.9 tons.

hmm, another member can comment on what the full weapon load actually was. It was discussed a while back. As for how loaded weapn weight is 15.5 tonne, you are going to ask the Austrians this going. But I doubt you would want to have full fuel tank when you are going up for missions. Half of that fuel tank + all necessary BVR and WVR missiles – 4.5 tonne sounds pretty good to me.

advance composite materials that were not present in previous flankers. Su-35 is compeltely new machine from structure to FBW to cockpit. it does not share anything with previous Flankers like MKI.

yeah, you can get weight reduction with composite, but 25% is ridiculous. You can make 40% plane out of composite material (like on Typhoon) and you are not going to get a 25% weight reduction.

Maybe because the Yak-130 uses a similar FBW-system ???

Deino 😉

I’m kind of afraid of Yak-130’s FBW after that crash.

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Pakistan, China sign deal to develop long-range radar
Updated at 1100 PST
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and China have agreed to jointly develop long-range radar equipped early warning aircraft, the Pakistan Air Force said Friday in a statement.

The announcement came during a visit to the country by Chinese President Hu Jintao in which the two allies are expected to discuss expanding ties in the defense, nuclear, economic and trade sectors.

The Pakistan Air Force and Chinese Aviation Industries agreed “for long term collaboration and co-development in the fields of aircraft manufacturing and other related fields including AWACS,” the PAF said.

It said a Memorandum of Understanding was signed in Islamabad between the PAF and the Chinese Aviation Company, CETC, for the improvement and further development of Chinese Airborne Early Warning System. “The same may be delivered to Pakistan in coming years,” the statement said.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp

did anyone really think PAF wasn’t getting those Y-8 AEWs after testing them?

Although I never heard of this, I think it’s possible. I’ve heard of complaints saying NAC had difficulties in FBW, but other chinese design institutes charged them arms and legs. It’s said that 611 gave them some help. They got help from other sources as well.

yep, that’s what I read too (about 611 help). I would be a little surprised if that Russian firm did the entire FBW for L-15, but who knows?

So how are you going to place J-8, a generation higher or lower than F4/Mig23?

Chinese put J-7 and J-8 in the same generation. I’d rather not get into whether J-8 is better than the other two right now.