interesting what you say. but I hope J-8 series will be retired, it is getting old. also western area is becoming important too. there is many muslim there and they like blow up stuff, very dangerous.. maybe we need make unman drone like what US do and survey them. some of western neighbor have fancy aircraft. Kazakistan and Wuzubikestan have Su-27.. we are okay with them now but in long run they is also dangerous because they house muslim terrorist, also because some of their land also belong to China since Tang Dynasty.

J-8F/H are still being converted and inducted. They even inducted J-7Gs this year! CAC still has a production line that had to be converted from J-7 to J-10. These old aircrafts aren’t going away anytime soon.

unless JL-15 decides to use the same engine as JL-8, that’s not happening.

Chinese Turbofan engines developed or under development:
0. WS-9, licensed copy of RR spey
1. WS-10 by AVIC1: for J10/J11 3 generation fighters and future airlifters
2. WS-11 by AVICII: for trainers
3. WS-12?
4. WS-13 by AVICI: for future FC-1
5. WS-14 by AVICI: T/W 10 grade big thrust?, status unclear
6. WS-15 by AVICI: T/W 10 grade middle thrust Turbofan engine could be based on CJ2000 core? Model number confirmed.

WS-12 is basically like WS-13 but not based on RD-93. Many people think this project is cancelled, but one of the big shrimps on war-sky says it is still ongoing. WS-12/WS-13 kind of have the PL-8/PL-9 relationship going.

WS-14 – for JL-15?

check the date on it, seems to be old news.

Whoops, I had the AL-41F1 confused with the new AL-31FM1:

Does China have the AL-31FM1? No? Then my point still stands.

yes, with J-10. And quite possibly with the other order of 180 AL-31F for flankers.

There were several comments on China asking/ interested in the Bars and even you were reporting them on this very forum. The International Air Power article by Andrew Johnson on the Su-30 MKI/MKK also mentions the possibility of Bars going to the MKK.

But it never happened.

International air power article? What kind of source is that? lol, bring an actual authentic Chinese article

The MSE was offered and cleared for export., it was not regarded as earth shattering since the Chinese themselves appeared to getting a firm basis in planAR array radars The MSF was never cleared, despite all the public blah blah and talk of exports, ask anyone in Phazotron if you have doubts. The N001VE with the Pero is acceptable to Russian authorities because it is a generation old optical phased array, which NIIP Tikhomirov has been able to convince the Russian authorities is not their best, hence they will not be affected.

if you say so.

I knew it would upset you, but its a fact of life. There are several restrictions on what is available to sell to China, despite what the bureaus themselves wish. Its the neighbour syndrome. Russia wants to get as much Chinese money as possible whilst trying to push “not the latest” stuff across with as limited TOT as possible, but China wants the reverse. The same case is also applicable in some areas with India, even the acquisitions by Indian companies go thru a national security review board (which btw cut a smerch order by a third as a negotiating point).
Anyways, I dont need to convince you because you wont be. You are a hardcore supporter of China and you will start flaming since you perceive this to be an insult- be assured it isnt, I am just calling it as I see it, based on my own talks with several russian arms design people – from phazotron, NIIP, klimov, salyut and a few others.

are Indians on this board really this insecure? If the Russians are willing to sell backfires and bears to China, what do you think makes Irbis so special? Actually, since you mentionned Salyut, you might have noticed Salyut have sold their best engines to China. Personally, if they get this radar upgrade, then great. If they don’t, no big deal. The main air superiority fighter in plaaf is J-10 anyhow. The mkks should concentrate on what they do the best, which is ground attack.

this I actually posted a while back on SDF. But it’s most likely an internet rumour.

The user can figure out whether he is on the right course with even two satellite. It gives you direction if you know the position of the satellite and a fixed location like a city. With three satellites you have the location of the user and that gives you something completely functional. Beidou is just the beginning and is centered on China. The US’ GPS system is 24 satellites but it is a constellation spread around the globe.

As stated in this and the article in the other thread, the Chinese Compass system will eventually have 35 satellites.

you know, the weird part is that I read some Chinese articles that said Beidou 2 would have 12 satellites.