wrightwingNot against MIG-21 and Su-30k which are late 70s era technology. and it shows alot about China and Russian. Just look at amount of time and quantity J-10 develped and compare it with LCA. Money and superior institutional system plays big part in it.
It shows nothing about Chinese/Russian pilots. Indian Migs/SU have been considerably modernized from 70s avionics/weapons.
wrightwingYour making the same mistake. The Wars after second world war does not count as real world experiance. Chinese had imported large amount of SAMs and it is reasonable to assume that will train against them. They have large inventory of fighers of different kinds. J-10 has influence of both East and West. They dont have shortage of training among themselves.
Apart from Russia Chinese have nothing to learn from other countries now. what can China learn from South Korea whose fighters are mostly bomb trucks or Taiwan with obsolete inventory. Mostly good will visits.
Russia have stated policy of down grading equipment or developing specifically do customer requirements which have no bearing on them.
Your absolutely right. Fighting armed opponents is no substitute for flight simulators, and nothing can be learned from other Air Forces.
wrightwingF-15 does not have upgraded R-27 class weopon nor it has the kinematic performance of larger airframe of Su-27. Flanker internal fuel/IRST and conformal weopons give it enormous advantage.
I’ll take an AIM-120C7/D over any R-27/77 variant, in terms of performance. As for the kinematic performance advantage of being fired from a Flanker.:rolleyes:
Exactly how much faster do you think the Flanker is flying than the Eagle?
I wouldn’t want to rely on a semi-active missile in modern aerial combat. That puts you perilously close to your foe, before you can take evasive manuevers.
wrightwingChina has developed technics based upon Russian technics, Russia has been doing war through proxy wars or by her self since 1945 too.
Vietnam was basicly instructed by Russian and chinese advisers and the same has been the wars in the rest of the world.
Rusian pilots are aware of western tactics and to prove it the Indian-American exercises proved the Su-30MKI pilots are so well trained they will beat the USAF F-15s
almost every war in the planet since 1945 has had russian versus western equipment and just a few have had western versus western equipment or Russian versus russian equipment
First of all the Indian Air Force wasn’t using Russian tactics. Secondly the Indian Air Force beat the F-15s due to numbers and ROE(remember this was an opportunity for the USAF to demonstrate why we need F-22s). This isn’t to say that Indian pilots aren’t very good(of that Flankers aren’t any good).
This still doesn’t show how proficient Chinese or Russian pilots are, so it’s a bit premature to extrapolate that information.
wrightwingwhat is mean by real world experiance. The only real world experiance was second world war but even than there was certain things that does not make it real world. China has everything going for it. It is baseless assumption that Western Pilot gets more flight hours when most of the fleet is older than Chinese Flanker and J-10 fleet. Maybe large number of J-7/J-8 skew the numbers. Introducing large number of Flanker require its own tactics which is irrelevant to small fleets of other countries. There areant that many AESA radars in operations. TMC disagree with notion that Western missiles are superior infact they said that Western missiles are inferior to what downgraded version they export. Russians always understate there fighters and weopons specification. Flanker is alot faster than any other 4th generation fightrer except MIG-31 with same weopon load. which gives it enormous kinematic advantage in BVR shot.
When’s the last time the Chinese Air Force engaged another one in real combat, or had to fly through enemy air defenses, while doing precision bombing? How many exercises per year do the Chinese fly with other nations, to learn valuable lessons in tactics?. You can believe whatever BS you want about every Russian weapon being superior, but show me some examples of where this has been proven under real world conditions. Do you believe you know the true performance of Western equipment well enough to emphatically say that none of it is any good in comparison? Russians understating performance?:rolleyes: That’s funny. Their equipment performs very well until it has to be used against a capable foe, armed with Western equipment. Of course we know this doesn’t mean anything because it’s all export systems which are inferior to Russian ones in every way.
wrightwingHe’s done more than be a community organizer. If you really believed his accomplishments were so small you would be willing to discuss his largest role (US Senator). But you want to avoid that and artificially limit the discussion to his time as a community organizer. In other words, you can’t deal with the real record, so you want to make up your own.
Also, Alaska has 700,000 people. There are many mayors who govern more people than Palin. And Palin’s job is even easier to to Alaska being a petro-state with easy access to cash. The rest of America doesn’t have this luxury – which is more reason to believe she is utterly unprepared to be president (and that is the role of the VP, to assume office if needed).
And what exactly are his huge accomplishments as a Senator? What sort of managerial/executive experience does he have? What sort of judgement does he have(i.e. with friends like these, who needs enemas)? Alaska’s population size is irrelevant, with regards to demonstrating leadership. Palin has demonstrated a willingness to fight corruption. Show me some examples of Obama doing the same, or going after other Democrats.
wrightwingHe’s done more than be a community organizer. If you really believed his accomplishments were so small you would be willing to discuss his largest role (US Senator). But you want to avoid that and artificially limit the discussion to his time as a community organizer. In other words, you can’t deal with the real record, so you want to make up your own.
Also, Alaska has 700,000 people. There are many mayors who govern more people than Palin. And Palin’s job is even easier to to Alaska being a petro-state with easy access to cash. The rest of America doesn’t have this luxury – which is more reason to believe she is utterly unprepared to be president (and that is the role of the VP, to assume office if needed).
And what exactly are his huge accomplishments as a Senator? What sort of managerial/executive experience does he have? What sort of judgement does he have(i.e. with friends like these, who needs enemas)? Alaska’s population size is irrelevant, with regards to demonstrating leadership. Palin has demonstrated a willingness to fight corruption. Show me some examples of Obama doing the same, or going after other Democrats.
wrightwingWhy u consider takeoff and landing so complicated when they did with the heaviest fighter on earth and that was without all the modern systems and limited funding conditions of 90s. With 5th generation fighter systems it will be piece of cake.
They manage to increase the internal volume for range.
You’re completely missing the point about the different skill sets/proficiencies in carrier aviation vs. land based. It has nothing to do with technology or money. It’s called a learning curve. You’re not going to learn in a few years what someone else with decades of experience knows. There will be a lot of hard lessons in getting that proficiency.
wrightwingMoney translate into better in most cases. it is the money that led China to won most gold medals in Olympics. It is the money that enable it sent person into space. It is the money that enable them to hit satellite in space. They have built economic system that serve quite well for them in so many fields. there was long Russian article about it. Australlia has nothing compared to it except for selling raw Uranium/Iron/Coke to China which Russia intend to replace in couple of years.
Flanker is not only agile but has deep fuel reserves and higher speed with weopons. It gives strategic and tactical flexibility interms of weopons load and reach of sensors and weopons.
First generation AESA does not make aircraft superior unless everything else is taking into account. Infact Russian Su-27SM is superior to Su-30MKI PESA.
F-15 is only superior against third world airforces where lack of money/training/tactics/equipment upgrades dont keep pace with modern times and at the end doctorine of overhelming force of quantity at one place . Which simply not the case with China. They are moving faster than rest of world by wide margin.
China has very little real world experience in A2A combat. Western allies on the other hand have developed and shared tactics based upon things that are proven methods, and their pilots get more flight hours. An F-15 with the latest avionics and weapons, and support for situational awareness, flown by a western pilot, is gonna be superior more often than not. Even with all the TVC, etc…Flankers main advantage over the F-15 is in lower speed manuevering. The APG 63(v) 2,3,4 are superior to threat radars. The AIM-120C-7/D, and AIM-9X are superior to threat missiles. You can make whatever assumptions you want about pilot skill, but I know who I’d bet on.
wrightwingBS he stopped showing up for drill. That is how he got out. He stopped showing up. His experience counts for less then nothing, it is a disgrace and abuse.
I think Dan Rather’s account has been debunked.:D
wrightwingBS he stopped showing up for drill. That is how he got out. He stopped showing up. His experience counts for less then nothing, it is a disgrace and abuse.
I think Dan Rather’s account has been debunked.:D
wrightwingLOL!!! Well put. 🙂 Add to that list everybody on nuclear alert or members of ADC.
How devious of them, hiding in their missile bunkers, and flying strategic bombers.:cool:
wrightwingLOL!!! Well put. 🙂 Add to that list everybody on nuclear alert or members of ADC.
How devious of them, hiding in their missile bunkers, and flying strategic bombers.:cool:
wrightwingAll things are relevant to succesfull carrier operations if u think alittle harder. watching pron is not like actually doing like in simulators. Short take off is part of 5th generation fighter where excess thrust comes handy. similar is the case of TVC where aircraft can act like helicopter. prescion bombing capability requres only precise load to carry along with accurate location of moving target in all weathers. Su-27K with primitive avionics and lack of excess thrust is capable of bad weather night landing. It is pretty heavy aircraft (18.5 tons empy) with all those canards. Su-27KUB is even more heavier and they tested heavy phased radar on it.
Modern Su-35/MIG-29K/PAK-FA will have no problem.
Again, it’s the getting on and off carriers that’s the issue, not what the plane does in the meanwhile. There’s no substitute for real world experience, though simulators are helpful.
wrightwingW has no real experience of the military – just learning to fly F-102’s with the Texas ANG while avoiding the Vietnam war
So were the rest of W’s squadron also avoiding service in Vietnam by becoming fighter pilots, or was he the only one?
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