If this is the film I think you’re talking about, I would say ‘dubious historical accuracy’ must be the greatest understatement used in the history of this forum.
This film is utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter crap.
It’s an insult to the pilots, ground crew and anyone else who served on either side during The Great War.
You won’t find a copy because they were all destroyed years ago on the grounds of taste.Ask Melv about the likelyhood of being able to have a sh*g on the fuselage of a Fokker Triplane.
Although knowing Hiscock as I do he’s probably tried!
Take deep breath and count to 10, no make that 100!!!
I have more reason to hate this film than most, as GASML has already stated my father was killed durring the shooting of this film. It was a disaster from start to finish, there were several accidents durring filming and then one of the full size SE5 replica,s was lent to the production crew of “Zeppelin” that was being filmed at the same time, this had a mid air with the camera ship and all perished, including the aerial co,ordinater for “Von Richtofen and Brown. At this point as has been stated all insurance policy’s were frozen, the only way to make the insurance company happy was to remove some of the existing pilots and employ some that were acceptable to the insurane company, this ment pilots who were experianced in film flying and in particular flying these replica’s. My father and Derrek Piggot were called in, worse phone call we ever had!!! My father was killed flying an SE5a replica whilst filming some extra shots that the dirrector wanted just in case, the main film was allready in the can! As an aside the insurance was not up to date and my mother had to fight tooth and nail to get anything.
So as i said, i do not particularly like this film, i am interested to know that its available on Amazon though as i would like a copy for history’s sake, one day my son will want to know about his grandad.
In all of this you have to realise that these films are made to make a profit, the biggest market is in the USA and that is why the mojority of them are biased towards the Americans. They are also made for entertainment!, they are not and never claim to be historical documentry’s! they are for the 90% of film goers who would not know the diffrence between a SE5 and a Sopwith Camel or care! If you made for the 10% who do then it would probably be so borring that no one else would go and the money men would never finance another one!
I agree that its about time for a good WW! flying film, but you are never going to please the purists and also sell it to the masses! and somtimes somthing is better than nothing!
So next time you want to be critical of any film, flying or not, maybe you should have a little think about what price was paid to make it!
Hows this, chippy at Sywell 2004 picking up a ribbon, Twice!!! one on each wing.
i didnt take it but i am flying it so i hope it counts. talken at Sywell Airshow 2004
OK, Blue Max, our guide at Creve Coeur claimed it was the Jenny used in the film, but now you’ve straightened it out, thanks! There are so many wonderful aircraft there that my camera was working overtime!
Could still be one used in the film as there were at least two, but it is a Standard and not a Jenny.
Parts of one of those ended up over here and was at Chilbolton Aviation many moons ago.
Probably the same parts that i saw at Ron Souche’s many moons ago as well! Belive they were off the one used in the crash scene, as the other two returned to Sywell
My DVD copy of “Waldo Pepper” has a Swedish title “Tid för hjältar” but the audio is in English. I picked it up in a local supermarket sale for next to nothing but it works fine! It carries the reference number DVD 902 332 9 – 48.
Saw the Jenny at Creve Coeur, USA, in 2003.
What you saw there is infact a Standard Biplane and not a Jenny, well thats whats in your pic anyway. Both were in the film and many people confuse the two. There is also one of the Standard replica’s used in the film hanging in the hangar at Kermit Weeks Fantsay of flight.
I picked up my copy on Ebay for about a tener, same with a sweedish title on the cover but the disc i English.
The crash in the pond and at the munsy fair were both Tiger Moth/ jenny conversions similar to the ones used in “Villa Rides”
Ahem! Sywell!!!
seconded!!!!
Tiger Moth at the age of 1 on my fathers lap! sorry no pics.
The film was directed by and flown by George Roy Hill, now deceased, who was also involved with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. There were no studio takes of airplanes. All scenes with Robert Redford climbing on the wing were done without security harness or parachute. Strange but true, that is my information! The filming was done in Texas. Don’t know about any connection with Chipmunks! :p
The “styles sky streak” was a modified chipmunk!
I would suggest by the background that they were both talken on set durring filming at Booker
i was at last years show and found it to be exellent, i enjoyed myself thoroughly. one thing though, if the twin pin is there next time round how about getting A,A to do plesure flights?. and also (seeing as its a heck of a drive for me, and i suspect quite a few others) how about camping arangements?. i will hopefully be coming in my (RAF lookalike) landrover so it will take me ages to get there from Doncaster so camping is really the only option (both the night before and the night after).
just my 2pw,
thanks for last years show btw.
Greg
Thanks for your input, all noted. On the pleasure flight front, it was hopped that AA would do rides in the Twin pin, Rapied and or DC3 last year. However the cost involved to increase the catagory of fire cover to that require made it a none starter, and with the new charges coming in this will only get worse. It would be possible to have tiger moth trial lessons and also a Harvard opperating as well.
Thanks for all the input, its all greatfully recieved. From what im getting the feel of last year and the content was about right, we just need to tighten up on a few things and improve the experience where we can.
This is not the only time that Tiggies have been made into Rumpler CV’s. Two were converted by Slingsby’s in 1969 for “Biggles Sweeps The Skies” As you can see from the pics it was very much like with the BE2 that tiger parts were used where they could rather than being converted from complete A/C. The Cockpit doors kinda give the game away!
Like many i never had the chance to meet Steve but felt like i knew hime through his posts on the forum.
Terrible news and my thoughts go out to his family at this horrible time, particularly to his son.
Relax.
I can positively identify it as a D11143/2
Rob P
Arrh, i remember, thats the prototype that eventually after many years of detailed testing and developement work became R2D2!! :p