Satellite images behind the current search (2500km SW of Perth). There are SAR aircraft in the area and more on their way.
FAA was concernd about cyperjacking of 777 models last year. Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access. However, this did not cover the -200ER. Does anyone know if the -200ER is different from the other models?
Regarding the cars in the TFC car park, any decent car you see parked outside will belong to members of the CAA, NOT the TFC engineers, whose cars are as follows:
Clapped out 12 year old Volvo V70.
Audi A4 with nearly 200,000 miles on the clock
A rusty Ford Fiesta
A £400 VW Golf
and 10 year old Mondeo
How bourgeois :p
I’m a maintenance engineer and I would have no problem accepting a lower wage to work with something I love. Of cause the wage needs to be realistic at some level (what people used to call a living wage), but I would certainly accept wages a good bit lower than standard airline pay. That said, I wouldn’t work cheap for someone who could easily afford to pay decent wages – so technically the offer is only extended to a minority of warbird operators.
In other words: in the right situation I would care little about wages, as long as I could cover the basics.
Hi Wieesso,
Thanks. I had seen a few of them, but the Fold3 gallery was new to me and might hold what I’m looking for.
I would be happy enough if someone could point me towards some online pictures (not IWM), so I can contact the owner and negotiate a deal 😎
Wonderful photos. Thanks for sharing.
I think there is some confusion about the F-104 type.
Walker’s plane was an F-104N… a “G” without armament systems made for NASA.See deatils here at a website about “X-Plane” crashes at and around Edwards:
http://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f-104n.htmlI’m not sure why an “N” would have pitch problems…perhaps Mallick was referring to the NF-104.
All I know is that he writes: Some of our F-104 aircraft had experienced unexplained pitch transients in flight. These transients were very rare and we could never duplicate them during ground tests.
I can only assume he is talking about the F-104N since it’s in connection with the XB-70 accident (he alters between F-104 and F-104N when discussing Walkers aircraft).
EDIT: the F-104N (for NASA) was a purpose build version of the F-104G made specifically for NASA. The other Starfighters operated by NASA were all ex-USAF.
EDIT II: I see what you mean now. The pitch problem was a general F-104 issue – not specifically related to the N version.
I got all the accident reports that are available, including some recently declassified, but if I said more here, I would be complained about for advertising!
Additonal, just went and pulled the file – I got the releasable portions of the report into the accident sent out on 22 November 2010. Parts of it are still redacted. The parts of the accident report I have is well over an inch thick that includes the FAA Chronological Summary of the flight, including transcripts of the R/T calls. From this, plus all the surviving images, I built an entire chapter.
The most telling aspect is the Official Summary and I quote:
At 0926 On 8 June 1966, an Air Force XB-70A, serial number 62-0207,and a NASA F-104N were involved in a midair collision eleven miles north of Barstow, California. The XB-70 departed Edwards AFB, CA at 0715 on a scheduled test mission to accomplish flight requirements as specified by the contractor. North American Aviation Company and the Air Force. The aircraft commander was a pilot employed by the contractor. The aircraft was scheduled to accomplish the following: (1) airspeed calibration, (2) sonic boom run, (3) flight familiarization for an Air Force crewmember, and (4) a formation flight with five other aircraft. During the accomplishment of the formation portion of the mission, the XB-70A and the F-104N collided. Both aircraft were destroyed. The XB-70 copilot and the F-104N pilot received fatal injuries.Clearly it says ‘collided’.
The report says that the F-104 was caught up in the ‘compression lift’ from the XB-70s lowered wings. There is nothing regarding ‘formation skills or experience’ but it does say that the huge vortices generated by the XB-70s wings when in the lowered position was little understood at the time.
Thanks Graham,
I just found a book for my amazon wish-list 😉
You are welcome to send me a message if you have something that’s not kosher here, or alternatively you can join the wikipedia discussion on Joe Walker. I honestly don’t think Yeager’s little quip is relevant for an article about Walker.
F-115N?
The NASA 104 was a stock F-104, not the rocket augmented F-104N.
Yeager also takes a cheap shot at Dick Bong about his crash.
I always thought it had to do with the 104 being caught up in the larger plane’s wingtip vortices….hardly a mystery.
Yes, that’s what I thought.
Yeager also tell the story about Neil Armstrong’s unfortunate desert landing quite different from the official version and Armstrong’s own (and he is a pretty honest man).
TBH this post stems from a discussion on Wikipedia, where someone has chosen to include Yeager’s statement in the article about Joe Walker. I think it’s irrelevant (Yeager was not involved with the XB-70 or the crash investigation) and unfair.
NB. Accodring to Donald Mallick it was a F-104N.
EDIT: From the Dryden website:The third F-104N (number N813NA) arrived on October 22, 1963, but was lost on June 8, 1966 in the collision with the XB-70.
Edit II: just realised I wrote F-115N in th original post (I have no idea why).
Nice article. As always: A bit thanks to people who write Wikipedia articles.
The lack of fire may have been a combination of factors. As others have mentioned GG had an evaporation cooling system and ADI so carried a lot of water. The other factor was the foam in the tanks that is designed to prevent fire in the case of accidents. Some of the photos show this foam coloured blue has scattered far and wide well beyond the fatal zone. Many who where there report being covered in avgas and or water.
The other hard to quantify comments that I have picked up is that Mustangs have a reputation for not burning. We saw this at first hand this year at Duxford, but whether it is fact or not is for others with more knowledge to enlighten us.
What ever we must be thankful there was no fireball as that could have mad this tragic situation much worse.
I read that on WIX, but I have never seen it anywhere else. I have also seen plenty of WWII pictures of burning Mustangs. Any Mustang experts care to comment: do they indeed have a reputation for not burning?
I believe it was mentioned in an earlier post but it was surprising that there didn’t seem to be a post-impact fire, which would doubtless have added to the casualty count. Was this a question of running minimum safe fuel to save weight or do these very highly tuned racing engines need a “special brew” to overcome detonation?
Galloping Ghost was equipped with a cooling system based on the evaporation of anti-detonation injection fluid and carries as much of ADI as it does av-gas (150 gallon). I know we have been asked not to speculate, but it’s possible that there is a connection.
A terrible accident.
With regard to the trim tab – there was an incident where ‘Voodoo’ lost a trim tab at speed, with similar initial results; a fast climb to 9000 feet. Fortunately, there was no loss of life in that case. The tab acts as a control surface; with it gone, whatever it was doing before it left, it suddenly wont be. At speed, the aircraft will either climb or descend, depending on the position of the tab.
That the pilot cannot be seen suggests he may be hunched over the controls, or otherwise incapacitated. It has also been suggested that this is a doctored image, but I’m not so sure.
Thanks everyone for keeping the speculation to a minimum. I realise that I’m adding to it slightly with the above, but not, I hope in any way that could be misconstrued.
Bruce
AFAIK the fast climb is a default maneuver if the pilot experience technical problems – to bleed off speed.