We will run out of petrol, before we run out of Merlins…..
Great pics.
Please keep posting over the weekend 🙂
I would suggest that you get into sheet metal working (and other metal work too).
I’m not very expirenced with vintage aircraft restoration, but i have quite a number of years in aircraft maintenance behind me.
A good metal worker is hard to find. Anyone who is skilled in fabricating and recreating metal aircraft parts, will have no problem finding a project.
Initially I would not worry too much about JAR regulations, unless you also want to work full time in the field (very limited full time work in vintage aviation).
For the mechanical work, I would suggest you should find a project to work with. Then you will be able to learn as you go along. Perhaps if you really like the work, than you could take some actual classes, or an apprenticeship.
Most mechanical work is not difficult as such, but you need to know how to do it right. You also need to know where to find information about the job, and naturally understand the information once you find it. Working with an expirenced crew, will help you with this, as they will show and explain what to do.
So basically I suggest that you find a restoration group and see if they need help. In this case help might be making coffe and sweeping the floor, but it should gradually move towards actual aircraft work.
Once you are involved, you would have a better idea of what you would like to learn more about, or where the group is short of skills.
Good luck.
The ship refered to above as Nina, was actually “Santa Clara” nicknamed “Niña”.
This ship has never actually been rebuild, as nobody really knows what it looks like. They have a look-a-like type thing, but its mostly speculation (although competent at that), so we don’t really know how it sailed (except from the fact, that Columbus prefered it to the other ships, and it thus might have been the best of them).
Putting this back on aviation track, I would say that any replica Spitfire, is as much a Spitfire as the “Niña” replica is “Niña”.
There are no production company, that would recreate the Spitfire (or any other WWII aircraft) 100% like the wartime Spitfire was build. It would be too expensive. They are going to take production shortcuts and use better materials where possible (and why not).
This is naturally also the case with the “lost” types. You are going to be guessing, maybe good guesses, but still guesses.
Mark expresses a very sensible approach to aircraft recovery/reconstruction. It would be nice to think, that monies not wasted on “doomed” recoveries, would be used on other more worthy reconstructions.
I just think, that most recoveries are undertaken due to the adventurous nature of such an undertaking – the ultimate boys day out.
There is also a common misconception about the value of such a wreck. It seem to have the air of “gold-mine” about it, as we have discussed in forum earlier. People trying to sell information about underwater locations, or trying to sell the same corroded wreck for years, without getting anywhere pricewise. They are recovered purely to sell (as Mark pointed out) the identity of the aircraft.
Apart from the rare birds, a recovery is (in my opinion) nothing without a full reconstruction-plan, and the finances to see it through (a reconstruction plan, in my definition, could also be diorama use for a museum).
That does not mean, that I think pure recoveries are folly. If people have the time and money to raise a Corsair from the deep of the Pacific, then get out there and raise it. That is aviation history in motion, and thats what we all like.
I just think there are two things worth thinking about first:
1. Maybe the monies would be better spend, by restoring something already stored somewhere, or something very rare.
Imagine where we could go, if the entire community decided to aid the Stirling project.
2. By recovering a wreck without the plan/monies to see it restored, its preventing any future venture into restoring that wreck, by other people who actually have the plan/monies. And it will likely end in the back of some shed.
Anyway, back to the “boys day out“. This is not meant to belittle anyone planning, or taking part in, a recovery.
The dumped aircraft in Australia might not add anything new to aviation history. We know where they are and we know why. However, if I was offered a berth on the recovery ship, I would be there in a jiffy (do people still use that?). Its the adventure some people naturally crave, after spending years reading about these events and the aircraft taking part in them.
We should just not kid ourselves, because often thats all it is.
If its an airworthy aircraft you want, then you are better off funding a complete reconstruction, or simply buying one – both are cheaper options.
BTW regarding “5 minutes to midnight”. The doomsday clock do exist and its currently 5 minutes to midnight for us all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_clock
I hope you are not suggesting, that the UK authorities should have kept any research into metal fatigue as a national secret.
Development might remain secret and covert, but aviation safty resesarch needs to be shared.
Besides that, I’m sick of Boeings too……actually just sick of modern airliners,
Kev35
It always hurt to see an aircraft in neglect. Even if there are a few around….
Most scrapped, burned, or drowned aircraft, could have been a valued part of someones trip to an aviation museum.
But i know, they can’t all be saved.
Reply to blurrkup:
Yes, you are right. The Duxford has been outside for quite some time, I did not take that into account.
Side note regarding picture 6:
Neglect! They even tied a plastic bag around the radar wave guide…….as if thats ever going to be needed again.
(Although its full of water)
With respect to our American friends, they tried to ban it from their air space when it first came out, why should this example of Anglo-French one-upmanship fair any better now.
It’s not part of their US heritage, I don’t blame them for neglecting it, it’s sits there as a reminder of a race that they lost to perfect a supersonic airliner, given the power, money and technological acheivement available in the States at the time, it must have really hurt.
Imagine if the situation was the other way around and some Boeing jobby was parked up at Heathrow as an example of what we were’nt able to achieve, apart from us keen types, would the authorities and the general public care a damn, I doubt it.
Whose idea was it to park it there in the first place.
Maybe the issue was not to perfect a supersonic airliner, but to run a profitable aircraft production company.
The Concord was only sold heavily subsidised and would never had seen airline service, if not for that.
Granted, thats no reason to ban it from US airspace, or for neglecting is as a display item. Nevertheless, as mentioned above, its in temporary storage while its museum is undergoing renovation.
USS Intrepid takes pretty good care of their display, so I’m sure G-BOAD will have a long and happy retirement.
BTW the Duxford Concord is not in great condition either.
Salute to the people involved!
Better get myself over to see it soon.
Surely it would have been of interest to a museum.
My guess is, that there are very little money in scrapping aircraft and that it was scrapped purely to get rid of it.
Don’t they approach the museum community before scrapping?
It might not be cheap to transport an aircraft that size, but with a few well placed cuts, it could be lifted on a normal truck, or at least the cockpit could have been on display somewhere.
I’m not a great proponent of private induviduals storing aircraft in scrapheap conditions, but surely an actual museum, or aviation group, could have taken care of this aircraft.
Maybe it turned out, that no one (who could actually document a plan for it) wanted it, thus dooming it to the scrapper. They would never have been likely to hand it over to someone, who just wants it for the garden.
In anycase, anything in wooden boxes is likely to be as salt impregnated as all the other airframes, and of questionable recovery value.
With 60 years now being the period of salt immersion of these dumpings and other wrecks, I think the salt water recovery days of WW2 a/c iare coming to end, unless you are desperate for patterns to recreate an extinct type such as the Skua or Devastator.
regards
Mark Pilkington
Unfortunatly that makes a lot of sense.
There is a small chance, that freshwater a wreck/relic could be in a recoverable condition, so maybe thats where our eyes should be fixed.
A shame, when there are so many saltwater wrecks, and amateur divers are finding more each year.
Nice to see how such a question is taken seriously by the forum.
As someone acquainted with fobias and angst disorders, I can only support the suggestions put forward by other posters. However, fobia and angst are irrational reactions to certain situations, or in this case, items. Seeing how the dummies are made, could help, but could also result in the idea, that his reaction is something very odd and inexplainable (which its not).
Angst (and a fobia is angst related) is a normal bodily reaction to danger. Its part of our survival system and we actually need it more often than we think.
The problem is, when the system “activates” without any danger present. This can result in a situation, where the autonomous system begin to associate “safe” situations, or items, with danger and thus “fires” whenever this situation arises again.
The most common way of treating such a “misinterpretation”, is by exposure. Not the sudden “scare” tactic, but by planning an exposure with the boy.
Angst, and thus a fobia, works in three ways. There is a thought pattern (which is called automatic thoughts), there is a physical reaction (important for our survival), there are feelings and there are a behaviour (like avoiding the situation, running away, or crying).
Of those things we can best change out automatic thinking (which is what tells your boy, that the dummies are dangerour). This is done by creating alternative thoughts. Example:
Your boy thinks the dummies will hurt him.
Alternative: He will try to calm himself, by thinking about how that never has happened before, even if he was scared of them before. Same situation, but never any actual harm.
To find some alternative thoughts, its nessesary to find the automatic thought (which can be hard with a kid). But basically to find why he thinks they are dangerous. Then together you can find the alternative thought. Which is meant to confirm, that the situation is not dangerous.
Knowing how dummies are made, could help create alternative thoughts.
He must come to know these alternative thoughts by heart, and use them when the situation arises. This is where exposure comes into the picture.
Talk about it, and then when he feels ready, try to visit a place with dummies.
In short, exposure is about making the autonomous system “de-learning” what it reacts to. By him thinking different about the situation.
I will also mention, that conquering a fobia will involve facing the fear. That is the exposure. However, it can be done gradual.
But i stress this, in order to get good results, he need to work on the alternative thoughts, otherwise the situation might be conquered by bravery, but still remain a dormant fear, that he might, or might not, grow out of.
A fobia (or angst) that is not completely conquered, is very likely to find another outlet. As in; no longer being affraid of spiders, but now affraid of bees.
Just read through this and found it maybe a bit “serious”. Not meant so. Its very likely, that such a young boy will grow out of it soon.
I was being sarcastic, as I know perfectly well, what can be gained from fear.
(My idea was, that the little devil would denote sarcasm)