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  • in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1220567
    Mondariz
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    Well, if they care not for the living, nor for the dead, then maybe they should allow people who still do care, to seek out those still missing from WWII.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1220701
    Mondariz
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    Welcome back 😉

    The Meteor is as worthy as any aircraft.

    Regarding missing airmen, I remember a scene (from a US documentary abour lost airmen), where a grandson, who had absolutly no personal memory of the granddad, was presented with his dog-tags found on kamchatka. It was very clear, that these things still count. Shame on any government that actively discourage honoring their dead soldiers.

    in reply to: Maybe not aviation, but same dream scenario #1220884
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    They will be flown straight to Legends from the beach.

    Like the original plan for “Kee Bird”.

    Damn, now im crying……..

    in reply to: Falklands "What if…?" #1220999
    Mondariz
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    Was the Belgrano story not related to some peace proposal involving the Peruvians, as in: why sink the Belgrano, when there were talks underway?

    I seem to remember your Prime minister later saying, that they had not recieved any indication of such a peace plan. Although it according to the Peruvians had been send to London 14 hours earlier.

    I’m not trying to fan any flames, i simply seem to remember something like that, when i think of the Belgrano.

    My own private idea about it, is that its war. Ships are sunk in war.

    in reply to: Maybe not aviation, but same dream scenario #1221018
    Mondariz
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    Surely it’s already happened – a small number of aircraft being recovered from French beaches (admittedley in poor condition) and the recent P-38 uncovered in Wales.

    Roger Smith.

    Yes, some wrecks have been found, but, as in this story, I think its still possible, that “pristine” aircraft can be located. Maybe not on beaches, but somewhere forgotten – the untimate barn find :cool:.

    Not only was this bunker untouched, it was basically unknown…which seems almost impossible, considering the interest in WWII fortifications and the size of the bunker.

    There are about 120 museum aircraft missing from Berlin, since they were carted away during WWII, in order to protect them from harm. Dissapeared without a trace. Surely they could be somewhere.

    in reply to: Maybe not aviation, but same dream scenario #1221044
    Mondariz
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    I know; there is not much to hope for, but the bunker crowd (our concrete counterpart) surely had not dreamed of this either.

    Actually the article mentions a guy, who has spend 25 years involved with Bunkers, who states: “I have never heard about anything like it!”

    BTW if its found; sure it will be at legends.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1221061
    Mondariz
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    I seem to have lost track on the different catagories of wreck sites.

    It seem inportant to people, what catagory the site belongs to, so just in case I’m not the only one, I have produced the following list:

    1: Unknown/untouched accident sites, possibly containing human remains.

    2: Known and investigated sites, where airmen lost their lives.

    3. Known and investigated sites, without loss of life.

    4. Known sites that have been “cleared”, looking for that forgotten bit.

    5. Any site not classified above.

    Does anyone have other catagories?

    in reply to: Falklands "What if…?" #1221219
    Mondariz
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    Typical socialist hogwash. The socialist system does indeed create more ‘average people’, more by dragging down the middle classes than by raising the lower classes, thus at the same time increasing the class divide.

    So Socialism actually increase the class divide, as opposed to our current system I assume.

    Where have you been the last 20 years?
    The divide is getting bigger, not smaller every year; both locally and globally.

    Compare Sweden, or Denmark (both relatively more socialist than the UK), to Great Britain – where is the class devide biggest?

    Not topic of thread, sorry. I return to my cave now :p

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1221232
    Mondariz
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    PS In the case of Merkles Meteor, it is not a rare aircraft, there are no human remains, there is no untold story, no-one except for him is ever likely to dig it up so really who gives a rats what happens to it – it can either slowly corrode and disappear underground or he can dig it up polish up a few bits and sell the rest for scrap if he wants to as far as I am concerned. Obviously no one else has cared two hoots about it in the last 50 years!

    I fully agree on the “rats” bit, when it comes to such aircraft. In any other sphere, it would be seen as cleaning the environment.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1221333
    Mondariz
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    OK – ask yourself – why was it useful? Did we gain any new understanding of the dams raid, or of the Lancaster by its discovery?

    Just playing Devils advocate…!

    Bruce

    You can’t always trade things on a 1 to 1 basis.

    The finding of that Lancaster might provide new understanding by proxy. Maybe some viewer dicided to look for something else, find it and in that way provide something new to historic aviation.

    At the very least, it will provide a historic insight and a sense of “living history” to the people watching the show.

    Most research does not find anything new, it simply confirms things are as they thought/hoped. But research “creates” more/other research, by igniting ideas and dreams.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1221352
    Mondariz
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    Slightly related to Tangmere1940’s post.

    I don’t think anyone has anything against collectors buying and selling artifacts of any kind.

    What I see as the problem is, that some people might be digging for profit. I don’t really think it happens a lot, but I’m pretty sure it happens.

    Most small aircraft parts (with no numbers, or other identification) has no actual value. However, once they become a stable on places like Ebay, somebody, with no aviation interest at heart, will see how a few scraps of metal can easily be sold, and people will try to make a small secondary income from this (try to look for autographed items and you will find the biggest bogus marked anywhere).

    I know there are people combing the beaches of Normandy purely to find sellable items. Thats the attitude I would hope not to see in aviation.

    In actual archaeology people have been known to destroy pre-colombian (and other) artifacts, because smaller items are easier to sell.

    Now imagine that Throttle quardrant that was for sale recently, being dismantled and sold in 100 pieces. Same would go for AC instruments, which originally belonged to the same AC.

    Anyway, thats the danger i sense regarding these sales.

    in reply to: Falklands "What if…?" #1221490
    Mondariz
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    Even the Argentinians consider the sinking of ARA General Belgrano “a legal act of war”.

    http://www.ladlass.com/intel/archives/006479.html

    Side note: Who says that “less socialism” is better for the avarage Briton?
    Thats basically the demographic socialism aim to establish – as in no class divide.

    More socialism would mean more avarage Britons, primarily by upward movement of the lower classes of Britons.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1221521
    Mondariz
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    Regarding the airfield Aviation Archaeology/investigation, I personally find this a big part of aviation history and well worthy of “Archaeology”.

    Some friends and I (we are not a group as such) are planning to photo-document a former RDAF airbase, which has WWII connection as a Luftwaffe training Fligerhost. The site is not undocumented, but we feel a well made photo-database could assist researchers in the future. This is our main aim – to get the pictures before its gone forever (soon according to the development plans for the area).

    This site was also used by the RAF disarmanent wing, for the destruction of a few hundred Luftwaffe aircraft. We hope to uncover a few bits from that area. Not for any real archaeological reason, but more to get a sense of history.

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1222427
    Mondariz
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    Hey just noticed my 800th post, of which 799 of them were useless!

    PS anyone notice the irony in this hunt?

    I have been looking for the usefull post, but can’t seem to find it. Are you sure it was on this forum?

    😉

    in reply to: Aviation Archaeology/Wreck Recovery. #1222784
    Mondariz
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    Although i have not yet taken part in an aviation related dig, I hope to get my fingers dirty this summer.

    Very few digs actually result in anything of general historical interest and as i see it, most so called aviation “archaeology” is basically trophy hunting.

    Some people like to collect items related to something that have their interest. Digging after a few scraps of aircraft structure, or some mechanical part, is just a way to find such items.

    As long as sites, where the airman/airmen involved perished, are treated with the proper respect, I find nothing wrong with collectors picking through the aircraft remains (not to be confused with the remains of airmen).

    I think it brings the history to live, at least for the persons digging.

    Saying all that, it must be pointed out, that actual historic sites, where there is still some important information to be gained, should, like actual archaeological sites, be left untouched by amateurs.

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