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  • in reply to: Google Earth South Pacific "recovery" #1253474
    Mondariz
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    Each to their own, but a free comment…

    You are aware (of course) that the Fossett search was in an area which was essentially desert, no significant ground cover, with little ground traffic, and crashes show up well – as against the Pacific where most of the ground is covered in jungle, including many of the ex-airfields and depots. Yes, there are wrecks to be found, but if they haven’t been found yet, it is highly unlikely they will be found by a satellite search. Even the wrecks in shallow water have, for the most part, I suspect been found, so far, but that would be your most worthwhile (read least waste of time) arena. I’m working with a guy who knows his way around these areas firsthand, and there may be a role for Google Earth searching, but it’s probably minor, and peripheral.

    There are (probably) few recognisable aircraft wrecks that can be ‘seen’ from any vantage point. What is left is smashed up crashes and dumped wrecks, and those are often in the roots (let alone foliage) of the plant life there. You can be literally standing on a wreck and not know it.

    The presumption that you can check off any significant areas as ‘nothing here’ is flat wrong.

    Boring I know, but there’s more worthwhile things to do. Anything really.

    Regards,

    The desert where Fossett went down if far from empty. Most of it is covered in a dense bushland and yes, its pretty hard to find anything even there.

    The CAP flew many hours over the desert and found nothing, even used their ARCHER ground scanner and still found nothing. BUT the Google search did find 5 other aircraft, that had been missing for years (some since the sixties, and that place has planty trafic, hickers, locals and flyovers).

    I did not mean to suggest, that every area where nothing is spotted should be marked as empty. But we will get boxes where no significant remains is likely and we will get boxes with anomalies, which can be used by those who search the ground.

    I also realise that most remains will be covered by jungle and only found if someone stumbles upon them.

    I’m you spend an hour looking at the sat images, you will see just how deserted and wast those islands are. There are a good chance something new will be spotted. We might not find a full aircraft, but if we can generate locations, where there might be something, its an aid to anyone searching the ground.

    A place like Morotai, even the Indonesian military who manage the island, have no idea about the area outside their perimiter (they are not even sure about the actual base). They might have heard about planes, but the place is so wast, that Japanese soldiers have been hiding there untill the 1970’s (some say even longer).

    in reply to: Google Earth South Pacific "recovery" #1253479
    Mondariz
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    Bill are you sure that atol is big enough for an air field?

    Sure, its plenty big.

    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x217/MONDARIZDK/Tarawa.jpg

    No planes here, just a nice view of Tarawa Air Field.

    in reply to: Google Earth South Pacific "recovery" #1253599
    Mondariz
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    I love looking at aerial photographs but am a relative newcomer on GE. How do I know if it is high or low resolution that I am looking at (other than the obvious fuzziness); is there something ‘numerical’ displayed somewhere?

    Also are the images on ‘Google Maps’ always the same as on Google Earth?

    Under the “Layers” menu and the sub-menu “More”, you can tick DigitalGlobe coverage, which will get you dates on the image sets. Its a bit confusing to look at, but it will give you a date for the area.

    in reply to: Google Earth South Pacific "recovery" #1253602
    Mondariz
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    Yes, the B-25 is the one mentioned above (I did not say it was abandoned, only that it was near an abandoned base), but that was not the point 🙂

    I was just using it to show an image with an aircraft (and maybe generate a bit of pacific adventure feeling)

    The idea behind this, is to devide the areas (one at a time) into search boxes and have people look for anomalies. If they find something (could be a wing box, or an empanage) then mark the search box. This way we will end up with a number if boxed containing anomalies, which we will need to study further.

    Such a database of “possibles” could be used to organise a ground search (not nessesarily by anyone here).

    Its going to take a long time to cover those islands and maybe nothing is found, but at least we can then say, that there is nothing visible from he air (well, space really).

    A relic like the B-17 “Swamp Ghost” could have been found on Google earth. The same goes for every wreck/relic that has ever been spotted from the air and thats a good few.

    If you are against having a third part using the database, then this project is not for you. The idea is to have open access (maybe a membership like in this forum) to the database for anyone wanting to ground-search the pacific islands for planes.

    Even if we don’t find any aircraft (we will find a lot of anomalies), we will still be able to mark some areas 100% empty and its a lot easier to plan a ground search, when you know places where there is nothing.

    in reply to: Google Earth South Pacific "recovery" #1253605
    Mondariz
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    Mr Steve Fossett went missing in Sept 2007.
    Google Earth images are a minimum of 2 years old when they go live. If the area you look at is already high res, it could be up to 5 years old.

    So, GE searching is a bit premature at the moment.

    They got new imagery. Richard Branson had setup a search system on a website called “Mechanical turk” and he funded the new image set.

    Don’t think for a second that anyone spend time on old images.

    in reply to: Late seventies Indian Spitfire/Tempest imports #1254126
    Mondariz
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    I believe the Tempests were all of a similar nature . I think some of the reasoning behind it was to maintain values i.e not flood the market hence some were supposedly buried/scrapped on site. The elevators seemed to have become a rarer from leaving India as well!

    Thats gotta be the most selfish and absurd idea I have ever heard of.

    People are now digging wrecks out of Russian mud…..

    I can sort of forgive them for putting them in storage (as marked control), but if they actually scrapped aircraft 😮

    This was not a government move, but a move from warbird enthusiasts…..I hope its just a rumour.

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1254465
    Mondariz
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    Now that we are done with the Soplata collection, maybe we should get the thread back on topic 😉

    Seems they just found a BT-13 in Costs Rica (although a wreck).

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/02/27/4880378-ap.html

    This article is in Spanish, but there is a picture of the dig.

    http://ivansiminic.blogspot.com/

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1254885
    Mondariz
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    Great! I would love to see #74 fly again.

    I have a list i found somewhere over the Soplata collection. Its a few years old, but it mention 4 corsairs. Those Bu numbers i posted should be right (according to the list). If you drop me a pm I can send you the list.

    Corsair number 4 should be in the basement (so the story goes).

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255073
    Mondariz
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    The US navy TBM at IAFM used to spray in Greece.

    http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7934/iafm_avenger.htm

    Might try to track down the rest (seens there were 7).

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255229
    Mondariz
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    Regarding the Soplata Corsair getting ready to fly. Which one is it?

    FG-1A 13481 – Reported at Soplata in 2000.

    F4U-1 82850 – Last info its at Soplate (no data).

    FG-1D 88026 – Stored at Soplata in 2002.

    F2G-2 88463 – Sold to Crawford Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum in 2002.

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255260
    Mondariz
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    I read such things in various fora and articles like this

    “The F2G Corsair belongs to Cleveland’s Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum and is partially restored for static display while awaiting funds for completion. “

    http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/october-november/soplata.php

    and here:

    http://www.airrace.com/corsair74.htm

    and here:
    From the post linked below.

    he mentioned several times how angry he was that rare warbirds that have been restored to flying condition and are flown on the airshow circuit get destroyed in crashes. Apparently there was a stipulation with the sale of the F2G Corsair racer that it never be flown again. Other than that, he has no intentions of selling much of anything as long as he’s alive. “

    http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=437&highlight=

    Although it might not be the gospel, its as close as i can get.

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255423
    Mondariz
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    This fine TBM will set you back $195.000.

    Its also marked “Owner will consider T-6 trade”

    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x217/MONDARIZDK/325gt_fldwng_lrg.jpg

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255447
    Mondariz
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    Maybe you could give Israeli Air Force Museum a call.

    The Israel Air Force Museum, Hatzerim, Army Postal Office Box 02832, Beer Sheva, ISRAEL. Telephone : 972 7 906 428, FAX : 972 7 906 314.

    They have a main exhibit US navy TBM and a stored wreck (unkown to me).

    http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x217/MONDARIZDK/idfTBMjpg.jpg

    in reply to: Waiting to be found #1255863
    Mondariz
    Participant

    So i have heard, but on the condition that they will never fly again.

    I was reading a post by someone who had visited him in 2002, and apparently Mr. Soplata hates the idea of flying warbirds (or rather the idea of them crashing). So much so, that he stipulates a “No-fly” clause in the sale document.

    in reply to: Scrapyard Photos; Any More? #1255956
    Mondariz
    Participant

    …or even the Flying Legends Air Show, Duxford, July 2006.:)

    Mark

    Oh! I see now how I was tricked by your earlier post 🙁

    I actually think i was at that show……

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