“How fast, precisely, is warp speed? If it is faster than light then how would you see the alien coming? In fact how could the alien swerve to avoid you – since he wouldn’t be able to see you if he was travelling much faster than light!”

dont think there is such a thing as warp speed in the real universe, maybe trekies will disagree, but then they are from another nuniverse themselves.;)

in warp i just ment really fast.

there u are, going about ur own business, when u see a light in the sky, u get curious and stop to see what it is, but cant cos its too far away and, well its juat a ball of light…

as it gets closer, detail starts to emerge, with a round outline and what appears to be two massive light projecting devices in the front of it…

as the object becomes clearer, it also gets better, and closer, u think of getting out of the way, but just as ur legs start to move ur boby…splash…giant wippers slowly wipe the remains to the side while the creature piloting the strange vehical says: ‘ @~”£$&$%&@@~’ which roughly translated to :’ooo son, did u see how that one’s head came right off!’…;)

well there’s a fine line between leaps of faith and educated guesses.

people have the general problem that if they don’t see something happen for themselves, they find it difficult to accept that it can happen. That’s why all science lessons have so many practical experiments and why we need to do so many exercises in maths – to prove to ourselves that that improbable does happen.

However, the problem with evolution and the big ban theory is that one happens over millions of years while the other happened billions of years ago. We cant see them with our own eye unless we manage to find a way to live for millions of years or travel back in time or blown up the universe again.

That’s why scientists may never be able to prove to everyone 100% that evolution exists and that the big ban happened. But that’s our problem, not the theory’s.

To get around our physical and mental limitations, we have to make educated guesses. Its nothing new, just to extend the trend of what we can observe a little further. The line between merely extending the line alone the path it does take but we cant yet prove, and extending the line in a slightly different direction is a very very thin one. And because it is an extension of what we can prove, each of us must decide for ourselves what we believe is the correct extension of the truth and what is shooting off on a tangent.

To me, the theory of evolution is extremely sound. While I cant live to see the human race evolve, experiments with fruit flies have demonstrated most if not all of the major elements of evolution at work. Scientists have managed o isolate, pass on and enhance mutations (in the fly’s case, having white eyes), and even managed to use selective breeding to affect how flies behaved (bread flies that prefers to go up when given a choice and flies that prefer to go down, to the left to the right etc.

The real bones of contention with evolution is what everything started off as and to what extent do our genines control us. For those questions I have not yet seen enough evidence to come to a conclusion.

The big ban theory lies somewhere between the above two for me.

As I said before, its merely a matter of what individuals think and believe. Cos without a means to prove one argument right or wrong, we can argue forever and not convince anyone else. It was the same with whether man could fly, go into space etc.

“Read back, that’s exactly the point that I made. My point was that that such things aren’t facts, they’re concepts that make life a bit more bearable and understandable for those who don’t like to do their own thinking beyond established norms. I’d usually chuck religion into the ring at this point, but it sometimes stirs things up too much.”

oh, i took it as u saying that evolution and the creation of the universe theories were like infinity in that they were made u by man to try and make life easier for themselves.

hey, no fair, stop editing ur posts.:p

well i refered to them as fact because there is strong evidence to support that they have happened and are happening.

i reject all the arguments about how we need to have ‘faith’ and all that about god, even though there is nothing to support his/her/its existance.

to me, god is the easy way out, so instead of having to think and wonder about how and why we came into being, why things happen the way the do etc, we can just say, ‘god did it, so he must have his reasons’ and rest in blissful ignorence.

i wouldnt go as far as outrightly reject the possiblity of the existance of a god like creature, but until i see at least some evidence of it that can be scientifically back up, i wont accept any arguement that catagorically states that a god exists, never mind what his/her/its intentions and motives are.;)

Multirole:

ever thought of panic? u might want to run if an alien spaceship was coming at u at warp speed, but when u move, the alien also swerves…

alien: ‘damn! the misses is going to kill me when i get home.’;)

“It’s also said that parallel lines meet at infinity. if you’re going to have a concept such as infinity, why do you have to shoe-horn the idea of parallel lines meeting there into it? Because it’s convenient and it stops people worrying about it any further.

It’s also taught that a straight line is a part of the circumference of a circle of infinite radius. There were go again – convenient concepts to explain things into understandable terms”

🙂 in a way, ur helping to prove my point. it could simply be that infinity is sth we invented to try and make our lives easier. instead of having to find an answer or a reason, we just say, well its goes to infinity so we dont have to worry about it… 😉

did u drop one on its head when it was a kitten?:confused: