plawolfWhat is the point in an SK or Japanese MRBM? They have no WMD afaik, and I seriously doubt they would be able to develop RVs with sufficient accuracy to make the missiles have a small enough CEP to be of much use as a tactical weapon with conventional warheads.
Why do they want these unless they are also thinking about a nuclear weapons programme?
plawolfThe Gripen NG is not a paper plane neither is the LCA MK1. If you want to see a paper plane it is the LCA MK2.
When did anyone call the NG a paper plane? I never said the LCA was a paper plane either, just used that as an example of how rayrubik’s criteria for a ‘paper plane’ is rather unwise and unrealistic.
plawolfI agree.
In my view if all these countries want a real solution, rather than just be seen to be doing something, they will have to put aside $10s billions and probably a large military force to secure Somalia – or the money to pay for it if it came from African states.
You are wildly optimistic if you think $10s of billions would be enough to even scratch the surface, not to mention the massive human cost of putting boots on the ground to install a working government.
Who do you see willing to foot the butcher’s bill to make that happen?
plawolfLSP = Limited Series(Serial) Production. Not Prototype thats PV.
So what are the odds you want to give me that the J10B will be operationally deployed after the LCA?
Calling the J10B a ‘paper plane’ was clearly not a rational or logical thing to say. Bring in the LCA might have been a mistake given how touche some people can get about it, and now we are getting ever more sidetracked because of it, so lets drop it. But do you have a good argument against the main point that the J10B is more than just a ‘paper plane’?
plawolfSomeone mentioned RCS reduced western weapons, as opposed to Russian. You said Chinese weapons will follow western approach as opposed to Russian.
It is called inference, sunshine.
All they said was that western weapons tend to have smaller RCS than Russian weapons. A point I could see why they would make when you look all those large control fins and the general larger size of Russian weapons compared to more compact western designs.
That is a very different thing to ‘RCS reduced’ weapons.
You are just over-reacting and seeing ‘slights’ or ‘bragging’ when there is no such behavior.
plawolfOh and I am dying to see these “RCS reduced” Chinese external stores.
And I am dying to see where you got the idea about ‘RCS reduced’ Chinese external stores from.
plawolfcalm down, relax, go meet some men.
Idiotic remark reported.
it was merely an example supporting your statement:
What does GDP per head have to do with national defense spending? Many countries have higher GDP per head than the US, by your logic, they would be able to outspend the US on the military?
And I merely asked you what was the point in bring in Russia or Kazakhstan. How you thought that had anything to do with meeting men is frankly beyond me.
plawolf1. The Flanker has a bigger radar but only the latest Flankers (MKI upwards) will have a radar with similar performance figures of the Gripen NG radar. It is possible that majority of ChiCom flankers Indian NGs face will have inferior radars.
When is the MMRCA going to be delivered? The PLAAF are retiring their oldest Flankers already and upgrading the ones still in operation. It is wishful thinking to believe the majority of their Flankers will still be using the radars they had since the 90s when the MMRCA finally start becoming operational.
What more, by that time, J10Bs should also become operational, have fun with that.
2. The Flanker has enormous RCS and the Gripens is rather low, And it will always be lower compared to the flanker even with external stores because.
a. The Gripen has a lower starting point wrt to RCS.
b. The European weapons are designed with RCS in mind compared to Russian ones.
Only valid if the NG plans to fight Indian Flankers.
The Chinese J11B has incorporated RCS reduction measures as part of the design, and the RCS is claimed to have been lowered from 15m2 to 5m2.
Chinese Flankers will be using primarily Chinese weapons, probably exclusively Chinese weapons by the time the MMRCA comes around. Chinese weapons follow a similar design philosophy to western weapons instead of Russian ones.
3. The Gripen has a clear edge in terms of passive sensors and datalink. A group of Gripens can do a much better job together than a group of Flankers.
Again, you are comparing a paper plane of the future with operational planes now. By the time your paper plane becomes real, the real planes of today would have also been upgraded.
plawolfgood point. China has a worse GDP per head (both PPP and nominal) than Russia or Kazakhstan, but spends way more on its military!
What is the point in bring in Russia and Kazakhstan?
plawolfA couple of points…
First: convoys have been being used in the area for years, by the International force… well before the Chinese sent warships.
The convoys were run through what had been at that time the hardest-hit area… the narrower waterways where lots of ships were in close proximity, making for easier hunting.
Really? I have not heard this before, do you have any sources with more information on this?
Second: part of this shift in operational pattern includes evidence of contacts and connections far beyond Somalia… showing that Somali piracy is not just a bunch of poor fishermen trying to survive, but that they are working with outside elements.
The old pattern was for the “mother ships” to hang out in an area, pretending to fish, waiting for a likely target.
There are now increasing reports of pirates intercepting and targeting specific ships (some by name), using information on owner, cargo, course, speed, and so on, provided before they set sail, and updated by radio while they are at sea.
Additionally, they have developed effective sources of weapons and supplies that are coming from elsewhere in the world directly to the pirates.
It appears that terrorist organizations are only slightly involved here… the main influence seems to be criminal organizations from developed countries getting their fingers into a very lucrative pie.
Well it was only a matter of time before this started to happen.
Although this should present the navies with an interesting opportunity.
I presume these pirate organizations do not have secure radios, and even if they do, I would expect the world’s top navies to have the means to crack non-military issue codes, and even some old gen military grade secure radios (if they pirates can get access to modern military grade encryption, then there are bigger fish to fry than the pirates).
How practical would it be for the navies to intercept these pirate radio communications and arrange for welcoming parties to be waiting for the pirates at their target locations?
plawolfOk, and what have you seen?
Because all i see is a potentially overweighty plane, with the worst bomb bay placement for such configuration.
Oh really? Care to highlight where you think the weapons bays are and explain how they are the ‘worst placement’?
Is sad that russians did not went with the right configuration for the next gen plane, that is the canard-delta, but then their pakfa looks way more practical, and better done and finished than stuffing fins or bending wings for directional stability…no matter how cute looks that canopy…
More practical? How? Better done and finished? Again, how exactly?
The j-20 idea/configuration is great, but this great idea is finished under old concepts and a lot of compromises that came from these old concepts…is like they studied seriously the ATF concepts…without noticing that we are already in the 2000’s.
So, what’s the uber new post 2000 concept/configuration OverG knows that no-one else does?
Other than that , is interesting how quiet is the people about canards…I mean since canards were always been shown as a sin for the stealth thingy (even worse than the curse of lacking the holy s-duct)…is amusing that I don’t see a horde of kids yelling for these canards…wonder if most people online are chinese internet cowboys..
Please, I’m sure you have some backing for suggesting that canards are worse for stealth than exposed engine blades?
And if canards are so very bad for stealth, those claims that the Eurocanards have low RCS must be all non-sense then? Since they have canards and all.
plawolfFor China to be at the same level as the US..she will need to have 4.5 times the US economy. As you can see they are no where close.
That’s silly logic. What does GDP per head have to do with national defense spending? Many countries have higher GDP per head than the US, by your logic, they would be able to outspend the US on the military?
plawolf“Is reverse engineering an ethical process? Because we know of a country which recently developed a fifth generation stealth aircraft… There is no R&D involved in its development. So is it (the project) ethical or an illegitimate backdoor entry?” he asked, speaking at the inauguration of the eight edition of the Aero India International Seminar on Monday.
Is this true or just a online joke?:eek:
I don’t think anyone here honestly believes what he has said.
Just treat that as trash talk and ignore it. I think even the most die-hard fanboys would be a little embarrassed that someone of his station would show such poor judgement.
plawolfDo u know chinese was the first choice as partner for Sino russia PafKa project but china reject Russia proposal and decide to go for their own 5th gen program. So India pick up where china discarded. and I am very sure it is a correct decision based on what we have seen so far from T-50 vs j-20.
Just ignore him, he has absolutely zero proof to support his baseless claims that the J20 is the Mig loosing bid and has show his true colors today. But to say any more would re-open the can of worms the mods are trying to close.
Best to just ignore him to avoid flame wars.
plawolfIf folks in the pirate business are the only folks around that have money, would you as an honest shopkeeper or something like that refuse to sell them supplies? That’s what I mean: there has to be an alternative to (tacit/active) support. Make the water unpleasent for the fish is all I’m saying.
Fair enough, but what can shopkeepers do to make life unpleasant for the pirates even if they wanted to?
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