Navy`s new MiG-29K to have superior capability to SU-30 MKI

Moscow, Jan 25: Indian Navy would take the delivery of the first of its 16 top of the shelf carrier borne MiG-29k, the most powerful fighter jets in the region, in June.

“The first of the mig-29k fighters would be handed over to the Navy here in June,” said top officials of the RAC-MiG corporation asserting that the fighter in its capability would surpass the Indian Air Force`s SU-30MKI.

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?rep=2&aid=350047&sid=NAT&ssid=

A bit of playful Mig/Sukhoi rivalry me thinks! :diablo:

Joe h,

I have flagged your previous post to the mods for being just a bit too rude. I’m not saying I entirely agree with Jackinico (personally I think a country has every right to buy an inferior product if it protects national interests and business) but you seem a bit too keen to take an aggressive arguing point!:(

One of the reasons I left “strategy page” as a regular poster was the America RAH RAH RAH stuff (and Darth America – a very rude and insular poster!), argue your point certainly and disagree all you want but don’t make it personal!

Its because of the developments which are following quickly upon each other, not about the state of the PAF now.

I have to dissagree Arshad, Pakistan even with the new equipment coming on line will not be able to offer air superiority over the Indian airforce (not that I’m criticising Pakistans airforce for that). Pakistan just can’t match the comparative equipment budget that India can! The best that Pakistan can hope for is credible deterrance, in that there airforce can cause enough damage to give India pause for thought.

Also the quote you showed kind of made my point in that it came from an Indian news source. This whole idea of impending Pakistani air superiority is intended to score political points within India and for their millitary gain an even bigger slice of the budget.

At this moment India alongside China is spending vast amounts of money on refurbishing and reequipping their armed forces, far more then many other countries in the region. The suggestion that Pakistan is somehow in the position to match this or even overtake is laughable!

Nice to see you again BIGVERN, I always did wonder why they decided to drop Martel for the missions.

Whilst it would of been nice to of used the Buccaneer on the Blackbuck strikes as far as I’m aware there were some technical issues with this.

The Buccaneer would of run out of lubricating oil for its engines long before it finished its mission, older jet engines tending to be quite thirsty for oil. I don’t think the engines blowing up on the way to the target is an ideal situation!;)

The Victors and Vulcans being large strategic bombers had a far larger oil tank for their engines making a long range mission a possibility.

Also I don’t fancy the round trip to the target couped up in a fighter cockpit.

JF-17 and domestic WS-13 engine an additional source + Yahoo Translation

http://www.cnwnews.com/Html/soceity/society_js/2006-12/31/11391432.html

The owlet dragon” the engine domestic product work close completes (chart)

Center net information center time: 2006-12-31 11:38:47 origin: Chinese aviation newspaper
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“The owlet dragon” at present uses is Russia makes RD33 the advanced version RD93 涡fan engine.
According to the aviation newspaper reported that, the red lake machine shop in 2005 comprehensively starts the WS13 project the core machine and the entire machine development duty, impels the factory by the production 涡spurting engine to the production 涡fan engine transformation.

Of a ring-like flame tube WS13 core machine key components needs in the cavity

Carries on the high temperature ceramics processing, this kind of ceramics are never has used the new material. Facing the challenge, red lake factory 6 workshops crafts room Director concurrently ceramic manager labor entertainer existing writing Wei Yongtiao the heavy burden, passes through consults the material in every way and independently designs the craft parameter, has finally successfully completed the high temperature flame tube ceramic processing. The result indicated that, the product material object each technical specification and the outward appearance quality had all achieved the prototypical standard, the individual target has also surpassed the prototypical standard.

But as early as in 2003, crucial FC-1 power domestic productChemical industryDid already starts. A China National Aviation Corp group announced that, the Guizhou aircraft engine research institute coordinates FC-1 the development work, has carried out the turbo-fan engine essential engineering research and work and so on new turbo-fan engine design chart, pulled open Lebanon to be positiveCompanyThe turbo-fan engine develops prologue.

FC-1Domestic productMelted engine – WS-13 (the RD-33 domestically produced advanced version) already to carry on for 3 years. Should start the aircraft commander 4.14 meters, biggest outside diameter 1.02 meters, payment operating weight 1,135 kilograms. Thrust ratio 7.8, thrust augmentation thrust force 86.37000 cows, oil consumption 2.02 kilograms/ten cows hours. Biggest condition middle thrust force 56.75000 cows, oil consumption 0.73/ ten cows hours. Cruise thrust 51.2000 cows, oil consumption 0.65/ ten cows hours. 进气量 80 kilograms/seconds, a letter ratio 0.57, in front of the turbine wheel temperature 1650K, the total pressure compares 23. The overhaul is separated for 810 hours, the total life is 2,200 hours. (The editor pours: This engine overhaul gap and the total service life target by far surmounted the RD33 engine)

The WS-13 prototype Russia makes the RD33 涡fan engine.
This engine uses three levels of axes to flow the type width string solid titaniumAlloyThe fan blade, after the two-pole electro-chemical treatment overall leaf plate structure, in front of the ventilator has the computer to control 可变弯度 the stator vane, expands the ventilator steady work scope. 8 levels of axes flow the type high pressure air compressor (first three levels for to be possible to adjust stator vane) the single stage low pressure turbine to use the hollow air cooled rotor blade, the single stage high pressure turbine for the unit crystal turbine blade and the stator blade, the annular chamber combustor, has the tip clearance control the air heat interchanger, synthesizes the digital entire jurisdiction control system. The gear box and the appendix are located the engine underneath, the performance advanced miniature turbine wheel auxiliary power unit.

The WS-13 majority of spare parts may use RD-33, partial only must slightly improve, small are partial is the new development. 外廓尺 inch close, after introduced the improvement RD-33 majority of productions process unit to carry on the technological transformations to a WP-13 production line, the Russia side is responsible to train the technical personnel and the partial workers, trained one group of workers to link the equipment to ship back together, installs the debugging to carry on the production, reasonably arranged various parts production progress, alternately parallel carried on. By Chinese and Russian both sides in the RD-33 design foundation, will carry on the improvement to the partial structural design, WS-13 is named as “Tianshan -21”. (C001)

Author:Chief-editor: Sapphire

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Interesting.

As far as I can make out the report seems to imply that the WS-13 is an RD-33 made with russian support. Certainly a neat way to side step the whole Pakistan issue.

India: You can’t sell them the RD-93.

Russia: Don’t worry they are not going to be installed in Pakistani jets. China has said it won’t.

India: Well what about the WS-13.

Russia: Just some technology transfer to a major customer we don’t make that engine take it up with China.

China: WS-13 is an indiginous engine the russians are just helping us a bit. None of your business.

All in all Russia avoids pissing off two major customers too much and Pakistan gets their jet.

I could imagine the French getting to build all of the flight deck for all three CVFs and the UK building all superblocks for all CVFs. That would be about a 2:1 workshare.

The only catch with that is France doesn’t want to use a superblock approach but rather build it from the hull up in one yard. So any work for the UK would have to be sections that will be added on during the build process like the bridge modules and deck lifts etc.

well while yours Typhoons will have a old relic of mecanical radar suite, the lybians will get the MKII version with the most advanced AESA suite radar!

while yours Typhoons didn’t accepted the invitation to play air game with M2000 dash 5 of adla with fear to be “doned”, Lybians air force will not have any treat from air farce one!

Saudies are still swapping their eurostuff for a more advanced solution called Rafale!

And so it goes on….

Same unsubstantiated reports of a mythical air to air fight between Typhoon and M2000 and the same old “because it’s mechanically scanned” it must be ineffective and primative.

And press reports appear to support the reality of a Saudi Typhoon purchase rather then another mythical Rafale sale.

If Lybia buys the Rafale good luck to them but don’t use it as an excuse to dig up the same old arguments and start a flame war.

A bit early at the moment but Lybia is definately a strong potential customer. The Lybian air force already operates French types, they appear to like it and it doesn’t suffer American export restrictions.

I’m sure Dassault are busy putting together some very attractive offers, maybe a lease offer similar to Saabs one for the Czech republic.

I would of thought that Sukhoi and Mig are in with a good chance as well.