The F16 uses an Anolog based based computer rather than digital for its Fly by wire system.
Welcome dude always nice to welcome a new member especially when they post a nice picture.
There could well be F16 pilot’s on this site and there are certainly Israelis, certainly there are ex millitary types who love to share their experiances (Im afraid Im only an arm chair enthusiast with some time in the Cadets being the closest I have ever been to millitary service. π )
Have fun and on a little side note this is the navy Sub Forum so might not be the correct place to post about the F16.
Thanks to the RWHS fitted to the F3 and some upgrades, the RAF F3 can be used as a SEAD role with ALARM missiles. However it loses the abillity to carry AMRAAM with the ALARM fit.
Am I right in thinking that the RWHS upgrades for SEAD capability is on top of the CSP and AOP programs?
I presume that the SEAD capability has not been applied to the entire fleet.
On the subject of lack of power from the Rb199 the EJ200 has been considered as an upgrade path for the various Tornado in service at the moment.
On another note the Rb199 does have a good power to weight ratio and is still considered as a possible powerplant for any future British Land speed record attempt.
I think the only aircraft that close to be superior to the Tornado was the F-15, but i guess the F-15E must not be as good in the attack guise as the Tornado, the rest are not as good as filling the attack and air superiority mission as well as the Tornado did
Long time ago i read the Tornado ADV even was even able to beat the F-15 in mock combat
The Tornado F.3 certainly has beat the F15 in mock combat but usually in circumstances that favour the aircraft as a system which is BVR. An F.3 close in to a F15 would be in a world of hurt, now that ASRAAM is integrated to Tornado the F15’s advantage would be greatly reduced as long as the F15 was using earlier Mike model sidewinder.
The F15E is arguably a more sophisticated strike platform then the GR1 with a good bombload and range with refueling. The GR4 on the otherhand is excellent so its all relative in the end. The GR4 could certainly do with a more advanced targeting pod then TIALD now and it looks like the RAF are going to try and put an electronically scanned array on it as well to replace the 1970’s vintage radars.
Err quite a wide sweep of different aircraft designed for different roles.
Certainly the Tornado F.3 that have gone through CSP and AOP are actually quite good and have held their own against F15 and F16 in combat air excercises especially when used in BVR conditions. The main problem Tornado has now and actually throughout its life is high consumption of Airframe life. I vaguely remember that the F.3 had to start going through an Airframe life extension after only a very low fatigue index point had been reached (something like 18 points – someone please verify please).
Looking at your list JH-7 and Su24 are really pure ground attack types whilst F14 and F15 started as primarily Air to Air types which have adopted ground pounding through their life.
The Tornado influencing the JH-7 is an idea which has knocked around for quite a while, whilst both these aircraft are in the same class arguably the F4 Phantom in structure and avionics has presented far greater influence over the JH-7. Its rumered a number of systems on the JH-7 are similar to those of shot down F4 from the Vietnam war and the cockpit is strikingly similar.
The Tornado really splits into three main structural variants (IDS, ADV and ECR) as well as numerous sub variants depending on each user and the progress of various upgrade programs.
Actually, it might not be entirely insane – if the UK switches to CTOL for the CVF, then the combination of 2 Brit and 2 French carriers would mean a large carrier training market. The US could operate the JFK as a training carrier, with US Navy, RN and MN pilots training in the US. Sort of a naval equivalent of the Canadian NFTC facility…
Sounds like a nice idea I must admit EdLaw but I am starting to really worry about the CVF program. As usual we have had another extension of the Main Gate date, the F35 purchase is looking extremely rocky now and recently I read a report that if F35 is a no go then the RN will just operate the Harriers off the CVF. :confused:
Of course the GR9’s will be getting on and arguably a 65 thousand ton carrier is overkill for Harrier operations. Just the excuse our penny pinching government will need to pull the plug.
Personally if the F35 is a no go then I think we should be buying Rafale M with suitable changes to meet our needs – the French are integrating Meteor on it so theres a start. Also we can buy Hawkeye to meet our AEW needs, for that matter we could do a joint buy with France as they will probably need more for their new carrier. Think of all the shared costs and savings that could be made between the Aero Navale and the Fleet Air Arm.
Instead of two training squadrons for each type there could be one for the Rafale and Hawkeye personel could go to America to train with the yanks. Another crazy idea is we could have a joint COD squadron…
And on the equipment side considering France needs a carrier with two catapults and arrester gear and America needs four catapults and arrester gear for there new generation carrier all of similar design there must be a cost saving in the UK joining them in a joint purchase.
Not that Im against F35 I would love the RN to get the CTOL variant but I think it is dark times at the moment for CVF and F35.
P.S. Typhoon Naval is pie in the sky! π
Seems like a way of keeping voters in certain states happy when the USN retires the JFK.
I can’t think many NATO nations wanting to poor money into keeping an old ship going just to keep a few Americans happy.
Most of the larger NATO participants have some form of helicopter landing capability anyway.
Actually its one area I find amusing about the RN whilst people often state she couldn’t do a Falklands style operation anymore at least in the area of Amphib landing its far superior than 82.
Vicor, did you expect something different of the first “large” ship built in such a country? I didn’t… And all in all I do expect them to be happy with them otherwise they wouldn’t be at sea so much.
Wanshan, I’m sorry to say, but I must agree with Fedaykin, not in the way that you have to appologize, as I don’t see a real personal attack in what you said, but in the way that I also understood that you didn’t think he told the truth… (which he did).
I do have pictures of that area on Mumbai when she passed us VERY close when she was going to the port of Portsmouth, if you’re interested I can send them to you.
Lets all drop it as its silly, this is the danger of posting on a Forum! π
In the end maybe I was a bit foolish to ask for an apology but on the other hand Wanshan’s original post was easy to missunderstand and appeared rudely flippant. As he has now explained he was really directing his comment at the Indian MOD and their stupidity of not fitting Barak to this vessel I can live with that.
Sorry Wanshan if you felt offended I enjoy this forum and don’t want to hurt people’s feelings but you must see my issue with the original post.
End of Story…
LCA flies over my house on the takeoff path usually. but I dont have a 1000mm stablized camera to capture any imagery. maybe the thunder fans can pool some money and donate me a canon eos1d-mk2 and 1000mm lens.
As I use an old wet film Canon AE1 I was thinking of going over to a digital EOS as well. This is really for the photograpy sub forum but does anyone have any views on the EOS?
I presume any negotiations on selling the Greek F.1’s would be with an airforce who already operate the type.
On another line of thought I have a hunch that letting General Fallon sit in the cockpit of the JH-7 an aircraft which is behind what even China calls state of the art is not as much of an issue than say him sitting in a J-10 or Su30.
Anyone got the picture as I would like to add it to my collection.
Love the C17 pictures Pinko certainly not a normal visitor to Chengdu I expect.
I presume that anything sensative was parked under cover just in case any American Loadmaster with a camera got a bit too curious…
Chinese Mi-8 on exercise. ΒΏNavy?. Note two boxes under tail. More antennas than usual also i think.
Just a stab in the dark but could the boxes be CHAFF and Flare dispensers?
Thats an interesting point GarryB whilst Cruise Missiles have proven to be a very effective weapon over the last few conflicts I would be interested to know how many were shot down before reaching their targets.
Im sure a few were taken down during the Kosovo conflict but I haven’t got a hold on figures.