Basically against a country with gaps in its AD system its ok.
The Su-32 uses Terrain masking and its jamming system bounces signals off the ground, forgot the exact technical description (terrain bouncing?) to disguise the plane
But problem is that every farmer and his kith and kin will be firing MANPADS at you to all sorts of nasty stuff
And a pilot would definitely want to be up in the 30,000 feet envelope and have time to run from these nasty fellows..!
Hmmm reminds me of the line from flight of the Intruder….
“Every Peasent with a Rifle!”
As a slight aside it takes me back to when the British army was choosing its new attack helicopter.
I remember a BBC news report about how the Rooivolk was being allowed to join the competition after it started under the Red Kestrel name. I can’t remember what the proposed UK spec was or if there were any UK partner companies. Anybody got a better memory than me and has the details of the various competitors?
I wonder how the build quality would compare to the ‘commercial build’ military ships like the Absalon – I hear they have had some problems with quality control as well. As long as the ship does not have structural flaws, then I suspect the Indian navy are okay with a few rough edges.
Well considering they have a couple of new classes of ship on order from their own yards plus an aircraft carrier we will soon find out.
Actually I have no idea (transport planes are not my thing really). I was just asking because I keep hearing how the Galaxy is a real b!tch to maintain and that An-124s are a lot cheaper to operate etc etc.
In many ways the C-5M program is intended to address the cost of service and maintenance issues that the C5 has faced over recent years.
America has bases all over the planet and quite a few of them have daily cargo supply flights. Large numbers of C5 are vital to maintain that huge logistics chain, it is worth noting that the C17 will of picked up some of the slack.
The USAF will still need to lease AN124 in conditions of surge but this does require a degree of pre-planning. The AN124 (and AN225) are popular aircraft and heavily tasked with commercial flights, the US has to book ahead to guarantee there availablility.
Without a replacement in sight bar more C17 a C5 update program is essential, what interests me is 20 years down the line when these airframes start to time expire.
When I was there I must admit the finish was a bit rough and ready. It doesn’t seem to affect the performance of the ship and I presume that things will improve as India builds more ships.
What would I have to apologize? You misunderstood my post. What I meant was that it was very wrong for Mumbai not to receive the upgrade with Barak while here sisterships have received athe upgrade. That is SO wrong.
It’s not my fault you switch to defensive mode immediately …. I have NEVER started a flame on any forum I am a member of. I’m offended that you think I would. Maybe you’re the one who owes someone an apology!
Well life is to short and I suppose this is the closest I will get to an apology.
I suggest you are more careful in the way you phrase your posts as to me and
Ed Law it appeared to be an unjustified flame. Lets just leave it at that as it isn’t worth getting silly over it.
It is interesting how the Indians build their ships – they seem to try to put a weapons system wherever there is any spare deck. In contrast, look at the western ships, where they tend to fit only three or four weapons systems (SAM, SSM, gun and CIWS) on the same size of ship.
Yes you can certainly see the Russian influence in craming in as much weapons systems as possible.
This is changing and the P15a and P17 projects are far more western in style.
That’s so …… WRONG!
Hey whats the issue dude?
Why flame me?
When I was there last year the INS Mumbai was fitted with four AK630’s and as of yet had not recieved the Barak VLS upgrade. Considering I was standing there and I counted them myself and then commented on the fact with the friend I was with I think your comment is a bit unjustified!
Shame I didn’t take a photo but considering I was there in the flesh as my photos show I presumed people would take my word for it.
P.S. Were you there? An apology would be nice.
Any shots of the midship area where 2×2 AK 630 used to be? I want to see more imagery of the upgrade to 2x ak 630 and 2x 16 VL Barak (with new radar directors).
As I said earlier INS Mumbai hasn’t recieved the weapons update that her older Sister ships have.
When I was there she still had four AK630.
Found this pic on another site and it shows things from a better angle, definately the NNS Aradu.
Did some research apparently this is the first time in twelve years that the Aradu has been out to sea after a three year refit. She was still a very bashed up vessel!
Just checked up the list of ships at Trafalgar 200 and apparently NNS Aradu was there, thanks for the confirm Gollevainen.
Finally as an aside here are a few other pics you might find interesting.
Firstly the Sea Zenith system on the Turkish Meko (one for you Ja Worsley as you mentioned it).
The second is of the Helo on the PNS Tipu Sultan with a view of a certain AUS vessel behind. The PNS Tipu Sultan was fun as the crew saluted me on deck when I boarded her.
The final image is of a protest group who were in the Historic dock yard that day.
The Dehli class has a huge double hanger, here is a pic of a SeaKing parked up on her helo deck with a good view of the deck handling system.
A side view taking in the 100mm gun and the rail launcher for the SA-N-7.
😀 A side view of the Regina Marina a type 22 for the Romanian navy taken from the Mumbai and a view from the Regina Marina taking in Mumbai and a certain ANZAC.
I can’t remember who owns the Meko docked by the Aussie ship I think it was from Africa.