You been watching Sarah Palin in the debates? You seem to be as good at her at deflecting questions…

Just because you are Latin American does not mean you understand the international relationships there. I am Canadian/American and live in Sweden. Do Swedes understand Nordic relationships because they are born there? Hell no. Do most American understand even their own country, let alone its relationship between its neighbors?? Please. Most Canadians still can’t figure out Quebec, let alone relationships outside of their nation.

Being Latin American does not give you carte blanche to be an expert in that field. In fact, it means you are more biased then someone who has no vested interest in the area.

The problems in South America have nothing to do with language, religion etc. They have to do with ideology, to a much greater extent then Europe. Ideology and economics are the decisive factor in Latin American society, not religion or language as it is in other parts of the world.

No i am not biased, i will give you some examples

In my family we have canadians, americans, Polish, Russians, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, African americans, Chileans, Costaricans, Venezuelans, native americans, i have personally French, Lebanese, Vasque and Indian Blood So do you think we are not used to be more tolerant?

I can tell you we are homogeneous and we are not looking to make wars.

Mexico my country has only civil aircraft industry and our air force is more of a guard cost than an imperialistic arm.

Brazil is the same since Embraer makes more civil aircraft than military.

Chile makes more money by building tailplanes of the ERJ-145 than selling weapons

Mexico barely makes small light planes and some UAVs for recce duties no fighters or SAMs

We are more homogeneous and as an american experiment we are more tolerants and sooner or later less racist and biased.

our politicians are more worried about embezzling the own government than invading other nations.

And frankly man in latin america people is more interested in having fun than politics or invading countries.

I’m justifying nothing and excusing nothing, unlike you, with your bizarre belief in the saintliness of an entire continent. I’m merely pointing out that Latin America is not immune to wickedness. You make claims about inter-state wars, ignoring the carnage within states, & make extraordinary claims about Latin American people. I do not see the connection you do between living “simple lives” (such as Rwandans did before 1994 – and what came next?), & not being “poisoned by the evil of nationalism and extremism”. The bloody intransigence of Latin American guerillas looks pretty extreme to me.

But enough of this. I won’t respond to any more idiocy.

yeah yeah so tell me how many people die in the Falkland war? less than 1000, how many died in Georgia or Iraq?

How many died in the Cenepa war? less than 200, so tell me having mostly UCAVs old F-5s, MiG-21s, MiG-23s, Mirage III, Kfirs a couple of dozens F-16s and Su-30 what kind of war you can see in Latin america?

ah i see you think these Mexican UCAV can take on the entire USAF dropping illegal immigrants with a lunch box with tacos and Quesadillas do not you?

or this argentine Helo take on the RAF over the Falklands part 2 in 2030

Please do not dream, only in Georgia has died more civilians than in the entire cenepa war and falkland war, you are dreaming when you see super battles or a desire of war when all the latin american air forces are mostly obsolete and have mostly patrol aircraft.

So, let me get this right. You are claiming because there has not been killing/destruction/death on the scale of WWI or WWII Latin/Southern Americans are brotherly and love each other? So following your logic the more highly advanced weaponry, nuclear weapons etc, the more violent the society? So I guess Africa is just a Utopia without parallel? No nukes there, not very sophisticated weaponry. Following your logic it should be far safer then say….oh… SWEDEN.

BTW who said you need military technology for such war and destruction. Ask the people of Rwanda how technologically advanced the ones who committed genocide were. Is Somalia now a hot bed of high tech weaponry because there is widespread violence? You are equating high levels of military technology to the ability to conduct war. Just look at the “Disappeared” of Argentina, or opponents of Pinochet. Maybe FARC, ELN, the Shining Path and others ring a bell?

As for no country wanting to invade/interfere/etc with another country in South American perhaps you should read some of those articles. The Cenepa War was in 1995, the Washington article was from LAST YEAR. You are flat out wrong in your Utopian beliefs about Latin America.

And do not call me friend. It is reserved for the few that are, of which I do not consider you one.

No one said Latin america was paradise, however you know perfectly the mass murder that was WWII has no parallel in the XX century of Latin america.

Pinochet even in his worst years never killed as many people as Hitler did or Stalin did.

can you compare the mini war between Peru and Ecuador to the mass killings of civilians of Coventry or Desdren in WWII, can you compare Hiroshima or Nagasaki to the Sinking of the Belgrano or at least to the battle of Midway?

You are just in denial. In latin america since its indepence has not had wars in the level of Europe.

You know why? well i will tell you why simply because for the US in the XX century there was no need for wars of exterminations as Hitler did in Europe.


The US has always sought peace in Latin america and Latin america has never had wars of extermination as Europe has had or Asia has.

Guerrillas have no ICBMs, no F-16s, no A-10s no C-130 Hercules and basicly the latin american Guerrillas are more crime sindicates than real military movements.

violence exists in Latin america but inter state wars where an air force can measure up against another one well buddy you have to look else where.

In fact Fujimori and Galtieri were after the wars they made prosecuted and jailed we did not need a Nuremberg trial to put war criminals in Jail, Galtieri for the Falklands and Fujimori for the mass killings and Cenepa


To ring you a bell In latin america no one has a military budget close to the ones of the US, Britain, China, India, Russia and most of the latin american air forces are obsolete;) Brazil is the closest but the brazilian air force can not be compared to the Indian air force specially since Brazil has no nukes and India does, the rest of Nations are not spending more than 6 billion a year

to make war you need war machines and definitively we do not have them

Did I say any of that to the contrary?

Did I say Latin Americans don’t consider them brothers?

Did I ever say Latin Americans hate each other?

Did I say they are racist? :mad::(

Trying to involve racial crap into here eh? 😡

I LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH A 25 YEAR OLD CIVIL WAR! I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS! I’VE SEEN HORRIBLE THINGS WITH MY OWN EYES :mad::(

Where the hell did I ever say “That Latin Americans don’t consider them brothers?” or “Did I ever say latin americans hate each other?” :mad::mad::mad:

I specifically said proxy wars where super-powers use other nation as their battle grounds! The other thing is wars by drug loads, the drug monsters who don’t give **** about anything. Everyday people want to have peaceful lives just to get on with their lives! We all hate war. Which ‘HUMAN’ like war? Thats why it is the everyday person who suffers. I am still living in one!

This has to be my worst day at AFM…. :mad::mad::mad:

#!@$@#%#$%….

relax man do not make a tantrum.

First of all to have a war you need the following factors

first you need economic factors to push a nation to go to war against another, second you need enough ethnic or social differences to make conflicts between two ethnic groups and third you might need historical antecedents to still stir hate between two nations.

latin america never has had wars like Germany or Russia did in WWII where 20 million Soviet citizens lost their lives and close to 10 million Germans did.

Niether we have the cultural differences of Pakistan and India or Iran and Israel in religion to justify mistrust.

Third Latin america has not large populations with lack of resouces like China versus Russia or China versus India.

Now see these facts

In Asia there are four acknowledged nuclear wielding powers, Russia, China, Pakistan and India, Latin america has none.

Iran is not in Latin america niether Iraq and North Korea is not there too

China has a big military aircraft industry same Russia they are political rivals and have a history of wars and mistrust.

same is Pakistan and India or India and China

Mercosur is an economic treaty to merge all the south american nations like the EU has done that means they do not want wars among their members.

So before claim a fact first read about politics and history before claiming possible proxy wars in a part of the world you do not know.

Most of the aircraft industry in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina is civil and not military.

That is very, very funny! Y’know, I’ve been mistaken for an Argentinean, in Bolivia. A continent so homogeneous that an an Englishman speaking bad Spanish can be mistaken for someone from the next country 😀 Try asking a rich white Bolivian or Peruvian or Paraguayan if he considers his Quechua or Aymara or Guarani-speaking compatriots “brothers”, let alone other Latin Americans. Look at how ordinary Chileans treat a Brazilian lorry driver. See the expressions on the faces of Argentinean passport control when they see the ID card of a Chilean army officer (on leave, taking a holiday in Argentina). Ask why proposals to build a gas pipeline from Bolivia to Chile are met with mass protests in Bolivia, with tens of thousands marching on the presidential palace to protest.

Brothers! Really, really comical. :rolleyes:

My friend homogenity means number one in latin american we speak the same language contrary to Europe or Asia, if you speak portuguese you understand spanish and viceversa.

Also we have almost the same religion catholic and most of latin america is christian with some sincretism

If it is true there is racial problems still going on in Latin american these probelms have been mostly provoked by the racist mentality of the colonial times however a large part of the total population is of bi-racial or tri-racial background, so interracial marriages are common and probably Latin american is 50% of mixed racial and ethnic background.
Small border problems do not mean a need for an air force like Russia or germany have, in fact the main threat to the area according to most left wing politicians is the US and if you speak spanish you know what Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez say however most of people and politicans do not see real enemies since most of latin americans even want peaceful relations with the US.

Brazil is not a treat to its neighbours.

The vast majority of Latin americans look alike since all the nations in latin america have more than one racial or ethnic composition however all the nations have mixed people of different races and ethnicities smoothing in part any real war like mentality.

In fact you are more comical since the vast majority of people in Peru are of indian descent and there is not real difference between a quechua and a common peruvian since most of peruvians have indian blood and most of peruvians have african or Spanish blood too.

Any way in Latin america everyone has relatives who have broken racial barriers and have relatives married to people of different races and ethicities we are Latin america not south africa in the 1980s

Not sure ’bout Texas..tho in Cali one certain ethnic group is..err..”transforming” neighborhoods, cities and culture, and not always for the better.

Let’s just say demography is changing rapidly. For better or worse I don’t know.

tho this discussion is way off-topic,lol..my bad. 😮

Yep, agreed. 🙂

Why to claim a wave of immigrants will create a war?

First there is no military power threating the US from Mexico since Mexico first has only 12 old F-5s and a few Pilatus versus the entire USAF with F-22s and F-35s even forgeting the american fleet of F-16s and F-18s.
Second Mexico and the US can not live without each other economically.

Third the universal human rights declaration claims all of us are Humans and the same species having equal rights and all the Americans values are based upon that concept, so there is not going to be a war between Mexico and the US in the near future because most of americans consider themselves Cristians and not racially biased and most mexicans want closer links with the US .

So in few words the land of the free as the americans call it wellcomes all immigrants and the criterion for rejection is not based upon race but on moral character.

Most likely timeframe(?) – (2030-2060)

USA – North Texas vs South Texas

USA vs Mexico

USA vs California

USA – Northeast vs Southwest

Seriously, not joking.

I can see the illegal refuges flying kites against the US air force and the US air force bombing the factories of the american own companies in Mexico as the wet dreams of the KKK.
By the way the US makes a lot of its military hardware in mexico, ranging from fuselages of helicopters to turbine parts or aircraft design through companies such as GE, Honeywell or MD helicopters

Wake up buddy the North american Union is a reality, Mexico will merge with Canada and the US. In fact is more likely you will increase the number of Mexican nationals in the US armed forces than Mexico fighting the US.

See this cultural trend Burritos and coca cola do not make war that is the merging of of North america and basicly they are called Kentuky fried chicken and Taco Bell.