Fifth Generation Airplane Project Undergoes Defense of Engineering Mock-up

The fifth generation airplane project has undergone defense of an engineering mock-up ((PROSHEL ZASHCHITU TEKHNICHESKOGO MAKETA)), General-Colonel Aleksandr Zelin, temporarily acting air force commander-in-chief, reported to journalists at events dedicated to Air Defense Forces Day.

“The fifth generation airplane project has undergone defense of the engineering mock-up. Right now it is at the stage of creation of the working design documentation,” he said.

The general added that “time for the airplane’s creation is not changing, the customer’s decisions are not changing, and those time periods which had been established, we are operating within them.” Planning operations for creation of the new airplane are on-going, the acting CinC added.

Earlier, Russia’s defense minister had announced that the fifth generation airplane will be created by 2009.

Source: 06.04.07, RIA-Novosti

Does this mean a hand built prototype has been accepted for series production? Thats how the RRJ project is being done, they are piecing together a single hand built prototype now.

http://www.royfc.com/cgi-bin/today/acft_news.cgi

http://arms-tass.su/data/Articles/SmallPhoto/50286.JPEG

ARMS-TASS HAS THIS PICTURE
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=38546&cid=24

the arms-tass article says they are drawing up the necessary documentation for actual production, basically more detailed blueprints.

i am very glad about this news

An interdepartmental working group for the development of the aviation industry has approved a program for the Unified Aircraft Building Corporation (OAK).

According to an issue of the RBK Daily, OAK is supposed to manufacture in 2008 – 2012 15 Il-96 airplanes, 84 Tu-204/214 airplanes, 236 Sukhoy SuperJets and 95 An-148. At the same time, there were no An-124 in the line-up, and the question of the Tu-334 still has not been resolved.
Earlier, several companies had declared to purchase An-124 airplanes from OAK. For example, Volga-Dniepr had wanted to obtain 12 An-124-100 before 2015. And the Polet airline had proposed purchasing 5 such airplanes at a minimum before 2012.

I hope they can sell more Tu-204 and An-124

This thread each days gets better and better it is like a news avation network, it is so nice to read it and find new items each time soon i will post some news too.

JGSDF CH-47JA crashed into a mountain

A JGSDF CH-47JA crashed into a mountain in northern
Tokunoshima Island, Kagoshima Prefecture on Mar. 30 while on a medevac mission.
All four crew members died in the crash.

http://www.alert5.com/2007/04/blog-post.html

Thanks tango i loved to know my favorite helicopter made in Turkey

I’m assuming you’re referring to the person who was responsible for crashing the airliners into the WTC and the Pentagon? You know, Osama? Or does he get a free pass because you’re a foaming-at-the-mouth, Bush-hating lunatic?

It really amaze me how can you defend war as it war was good.
The last century only saw a good politican, Mahatma Gandhi, and only People like Jesus christ deserve to be follow, it surprise me how one of the largest christian countries in the world, the US, is one of the countries that lives constantly engaged in more wars than any other, it is amazing how Mahatma Gandhi`s and Jesus christ`s Philosophy of no violence, civil resistance and universal love, is defiled in such way.

Definitively i can say honestly while i like combat aircraft i do not like war and the only military aircraft that at least are good are the An-124 and the C-130 and all the transport aircraft and helicopters that can help the civilian population the rest included the F-22 and MiG-29 are just a waste of money and only good to advance aerospace technology in terms of high tech.

do not get confused i like the F-22 or MiG-29 just like advanced aerodynamic aircraft and agile and fast Machines but as far as the porpouse they have well i can say they are a waste of money and stupid instrumenst of war that show how the human ingenuity can be used for such evil acts of barbarism as war is

Due to the afterburner plume’s effects, the RCS was magnified exponentially at supersonic speed. The airframe itself was designed to have a reduced RCS, and was in fact redesigned at one point to further that goal. You are of course aware that this was 1960? And that a lot of the effects of sustained Mach 3 flight weren’t exactly well known? If the aircraft was designed yesterday, you might have a better argument, but it was designed almost fifty years ago, and the design methods and engineering expertise back then were significantly different.

Fact: the emerging SAM technology in the USSR meant that U-2 overflights would become increasingly risky (note that the A-12 was commisioned a year before FGP was shot down)

Fact: the CIA wanted a new reconnaissance platform that would be more survivable than the U-2 (although Eisenhower ended USSR overflights after FGP was shot down, it was felt that a new aircraft would still be viable and useful over other environments)

Fact: Lockheed and Convair were given design contracts, and both initial designs were rejected due to their RCS and other factors

Fact: The A-12 was selected over the Kingfish, at which time the A-12 was ordered to undergo a redesign to further reduce the RCS (at this time the chines were added, and the fins were canted inward)

Fact: the A-12 was intended to combine high-speed, high-altitude, and lower RCS in an effort to slip through EW networks operating on the Blip-Scan method.

Fact: RCS testing using a captured or purchased BAR LOCK radar set proved that the A-12 had a higher RCS than was initially predicted (probably because they lacked a computer modeling program to test the RCS before it got to the hardware stage)

Fact: TALL KING introduced computer control, eliminating the fallbacks associated with the aforementioned Blip-Scan method (this made the RCS efforts nearly pointless anyway)

The A-12 was designed to have a reduced RCS. It was also designed for sustained high-speed, high-altitude flight. One worked out, one didn’t due to changing technology and the aforementioned afterburner issue. Why that is so hard to comprehend, is beyond me. You still haven’t provided any actual fact-based evidence to contradict the CIA’s historical archives or the testimony of the Lockheed workforce.

So was it American-made radars that the A-12 was meant to elude?

What Russian complex? This one I’d be most interested in hearing. My example was put there to cite a definitive false report to contradict the point you made about the CIA and USAF being totally unreliable in this instance. It just so happened that the first thing I thought of was the whole report of B-2A shootdowns. So really, what Russian complex am I supposed to have? Do share.

What does 9/11 have to do with anything relating to a Lockheed design from almost fifty years ago? Or is that just another veiled attempt to disparage either me or America in general?

Ah, now the whole society is just a bunch of retards. I see now. I won’t even bother explaining what’s wrong with your missile defense site comment, there’s a thread on the Missiles and Munitions board discussing it already. I will agree that the organizations over here that dole out the Grammys, Oscars, and the like are on crack. But I’m just a retarded American, so I must have no idea what I’m talking about anyway.

A fan of killing Americans, are you?

Probably, but it was completely hilarious 😀

Actually, that is a byproduct of the American news media (although that won’t help you figure out why the rest of the world reports on such things). This is after all the nation where one missing person out of a few hundred million automatically becomes front-page news for a week, regardless of whatever else happens in the nation or the world. I personally have very little use for the American news media. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, they’re all pretty much full of it and have no real concept of what is actually relevant to society as a whole.

I can do pretty much whatever I want with my life (within the boundaries of the legal system…I suppose I COULD be a serial killer but I’d have to pay the price for it eventually), I can openly question the government, I can take pictures of pretty much whatever I want without getting collared, I have no forced military service (although I did choose to enter the USAF, I wasn’t forced to), there’s NFL football (when OUR footballers get hurt, they’re not lying :diablo: ), tons of good food (although German food is, to put it mildly, awesome)…I just like being American, I guess. Don’t know if it’d be any more or less different if I lived, say, in Europe, but I haven’t found a real valid reason NOT to be American yet. Although I am 50% Irish, and could always get an Irish passport and more to Cork County 😀 Dunno if that’s what you were looking for.

It’s not for everyone, but the satirical content is pretty damn hilarious if you’re up on current events. The episode with Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and R. Kelly locked in the closet over some Scientology crisis was pretty damn funny. South Park just makes fun of pretty much everything.

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What probably irritates many people here and i say honestly is being from a nationality other than american is not bad, and being american is not the best thing in the world, come on everybody loves his own country here, being european, latin american, or from any part of the globe does not mean you are less or more than being from the US, everything depends if you have money in your home country and if you like your own country, personally i met once and american woman who did not like to be white and american and she wanted to be Asian and Japanese and i met japanese people who wanted to be English, come on generalizations are overwhelmingly foolish to put it mildly.

When you travel around the world you see there are many good countries around the world and all countries have good and bad things and what bothers many here is the labels for good or bad countries are made by politicians but in reality a good or bad country depends upon your personal experiences in a given country

I see your point. In the 60s it was the dense radar-coverage in Central Europe, which forced the fighter bombers low to achive tactical surprise. Except for the F-111 the USAF preferred medium heights and ECM to force its way.
The intelligence was good, it showed that the MiG-21s were useless below 2000 feet. The biggest hazard were the radarguided AAA.
From the 80s something like the S-300 had to come to restore some credibility lost till 1982. Very low level is still usefull for most AFs because it still allows tactical surprise against adversaries without a capable AWACS and is a performance limiter to all systems.
The biggest threat for low level intruders comes from modern manpads. Those will not prevent a target really, but are very capable to surprise unaware attackers and take a toll of losses from that. For a loss sensetive attacker that may be a problem.
By the way in Germany and not there only , are very advanced training-grounds to deal with every ADS known. So such ADS is a prime target for every attacker at first. Such a “super battery” has to cover 360° against a strong force, when that can choose, time, number a.s.o. to come through at a single point. The most fearfull of such battery may be its unkown deployment and the restrictions to an attacker till he has learned the position from that.

In 1973, Israel lost 109 aircraft, many were destroyed by SAMs, the US concluded that if Israel would had continued fighting that war they would had lost all their aircraft in few days. that gave the real warning to develope stealth aircraft, now we are in 2007, stealth aircraft have been shot down, while many down play the 1999 downing of the F-117 by an old SA-3 as a reason to retire the obsolete machine and minimize the fact it is detectable by other more modern systems such as the S-400, Kolchuga and VERA

Modern stealth proponent have anti stealth technologies that try to show them stealth is shootable such as the recent deployment of operational S-400s, all Western acknolwledged losses were achieved mostly by SAMs and despite also do not aknowledge air to air losses it is probably that both sides are doing PR and both sides claim things probably they can not deliver, but that will be only be proven in war.

Kolchuga, Vera and Tamara are multi-point ESM systems that detect RF emissions, not bistatics. They are a step below PCL in capability because they rely on intercepting threat aircraft RF emissions in a non-jamming environment. If the threat doesn’t emit (like B-2 and F-22/35 are designed not to emit), then there is nothing for those ESM systems to detect.

We have marched around this flagpole before. Marketers can claim lots of things, but unless they tell you what they mean by “stealth” it doesn’t mean much.

They are bistatic systems in fact the Kolchuga uses several units separated by 60Km from each other, of course passive radars can detect the Planforms reflections and that is the whole point, any electromagnetic emission will work from cellphone or radio signals.

The S-400 also can work with the Kolchuga system, the S-400 is not a missile but a sam complex that includes radars and different SAMs and a SAM launchers, they can fire SAMs using Kolchuga cordinates, that is the whole point, that is the reason they can detect stealth aircraft, what you are thinking also is normal radars can not detect the F-22 they can detect it and the Kolchuga and S-400 team according to the Russian they can too but at much better range to give an effective defense.
Remember a simple modification made the SA-3 capable of tracking F-117.

Nobody has fielded a bistatic radar because it isn’t that easy to do and would cost most countries 10 years worth of defense budget to implement a rudimentary system. Pulse transmission and reception data has to be time tagged, data transmitted and analyzed at a central location to determine target position. PCL is more cost effective, but both bistatics and PCL can be negated by broadband jamming. And yes, stealth makes jamming infinitely more effective too by significantly lowering the SN ratio.

The Kolchuga, Vera and Tamara systems basicly are passive multi static radar systems (Basicly a bistatic radar) and use several units to detect electromagnetic background noise.

The Russians claim their S-400 will be able to kill stealth aircraft, it is known the S-400 has worked along side the Kolchuga radar passive system.