Showing pictures of a ridiculous Lada – which looks like a copy of a 10-15 year old Western European supermini – doesn’t defend the “Russia economy” or its “technological power.”

Sadly, this very old fashioned Lada probably isn’t a direct copy of any other car, probably just a very long delayed, underfunded industrial program that has produced another uncompetitive product.

Designing a car that looks like it is 10-15 years old is far worse than just copying a 10-15 year old car. It shows how how inept a company really is – and if it sells it shows that Russian consumers don’t even demand decent, modern products.

It is worth noting that China is getting closer and closer to producing competive automobiles. Chinese companies have copied Japanese, European, American and even Korean automobiles.

The Chinese have never copied a Russian car. That really says something.

The Chinese have copied Russian cars read more buddy

The sad truth is that the MiG-23 was inferior in many respects to late production variants of MiG-21. The MiG-25 was almost entirely useless as fighter – and even recon variants lacked decent optics.

In truth, the Su-27 and MiG-29 were brilliantly designed, considering the Soviet Union’s major technological gap, but neither type was entirely competitive with American aircraft which had entered service earlier and in greater numbers.

It is worth noting that the MiG-29 suffered major problems with its Al-Li construction, and even the vaunted Su-27M/Su-35 program wasn’t without its problems. Even if the Soviet Union hadn’t collapsed, it is reasonable to believe that its military air programs would have been significantly delayed and would have performed below the often ridiculous claims of the manufacturers.

New Soviet aircraft were always overestimated by NATO intelligence and the Western press. After the Soviet Union fell, the dubious export “sales techniques” of Russian aircraft manufacturers continued the inflated propaganda.

TINWING

Your arguments sound like the typical cliche of Soviet aviation many authors had in the 1980s.

The MiG-21 was better than the MiG-23, really? so the MiG-21 carry BVR missiles? the MiG-21 also was fitted with doppler look down shoot down radars? the MiG-21 was faster than Mach 2.35? and later you used the typical argument the MiG-21 was more agile, really? do you know that both aircraft have 8.5G overload limit? are you aware the MiG-23MLD carried R-73 Archer?

The MiG-25 was vastly superior to the F-4E and when the F-15 appeared the Rusians already were in the verge to fly the MiG-31 so at no moment the MiG-25 family was surpassed.

But the Funniest of all of your statements is the Su-27 and MiG-29 were not competitive? really so then why the Su-27 and MiG-27 are still being exported in large number even despite Russia is not buying them? reason in the export arena the MiG-29 and Su-27 are still atractive aircraft

this looklike a 80’s adds propagada for me!

i know about all this russian patriotic feeling, i don’t blame it, my wife is russian, but all russian economy will need 20 years to catch up the level of high skilled western technologies… when somes do well, its ambryonic.

That is what the article is saying as the Russian economy advances they already envision in 2015 the begining of the PAK FA deployment so by 2020 they will have a few aircraft

Kfadrat,
Stop whining. You still have not provided this forum with your photgraphs of shot down Israeli aircraft. You promised them, but they still have not appeared. Can you explain?

Remember your claims of Israeli RF-4E(S) loss during 82? Did you ever read the AFM article covering the retirement of those airframes? Any explanation? Hmmm.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=552237#post552237

Obviously you mean TC? The same guy who believes that Israeli F-15s took out two Syrian MiG-29s a few days after 9/11 and the whole event is being covered up. TC obtains info from very dubious and naive sources.

The 32nd was moved to the 33rd during 1996.

The Israeli did indeed loose a F-4 in 1982, the Pilot Gil Fogel was taken prisioner and returned to israel later while Aharon katz died

read the article

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/lebanon-losses.htm

Not sure what this has to do with F-22, but:
The only reason why the numbers for the Russian economy are growing are oil & gas and ore exports. Industrial production is stagnating, only retail and the construction sector is growing. And that is heavily concentrated on Moscow oblast. In the country side – nada or dying. When was the last time you been to Russia? Are you living around here? Fascinating national enthusiasm from your side, but simply not based on reality.

Russia has grown, and even it is not going to be form one day to the other, the Russian industry is also recovering, specially the software industry, what happens in the West there is a deep desire that Russia does not recover her industry, in fact you can not see that the first thing for Russia to do to assure industrial grow is secure her natural resources.

The Russian aircraft industry also is showing signs of grow, that is also industrial production.

LONDON, November 24 (newratings.com) – Analysts at Alfa Bank expect Russia’s industrial production growth to accelerate in 2007, driven by investment growth.

In a research note published this morning, the analysts mention that there is expected to be a six-twelve month time lag between the acceleration in investment growth and a resultant increase in industrial output. The industrial production growth estimate for 2007 has been raised from 4.3% to 5.0%, which is likely to lend support to the GDP growth of 7.0%, the analysts add. Russia’s investment growth is likely to reach the 13.7% level in 2006, driven by the easing of the VAT regime in construction and the elimination of import duties on high-tech eq

http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1429737.html

Mild Winter Boosts Production

Reuters

MOSCOW — Warm weather continued to support Russian industrial production’s strong annual growth rates last month, data released by the State Statistics Service showed Friday.

February industrial output rose 8.7 percent year-on-year after a gain of 8.4 in January, bringing year-to-date growth to 8.7 percent compared to just 2.7 percent in the same period a year ago.

“The reason behind the increase is the same as last month — previous year’s weather,” said Vladimir Tikhomirov, chief economist at UralSib Bank.

He said the strong year-on-year growth rates in February and January were due to a low base for growth provided by an extremely cold winter in 2006.

Strong industrial growth also shows the ruble appreciation has had little impact on producers.

The State Statistics Service data showed the sharp increase in February industrial growth was led by manufacturing, which rose by 14 percent versus February last year.

“The main driver is the consumer sector … proving that the factors driving economic and industrial growth have changed, which is especially noticeable if you compare it with the weak dynamics of the resource sector,” Tikhomirov said.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=21037

A modern F-15T has quite some arguments versus a su-30 MKI.

Mention a F-15T operator and the number they have and why it is better?

And there I was thinking Antonov was Ukrainian……..

You are right Antonov is Ukranian, but the An-124 was a Soviet product, therefore many of its parts were also built in Russia, that is the reason Ukraine needs Russia and since probably no other nation besides Ukraine will buy An-148 they invited Russia to build it in co-oproduction and buy some of them

this is the RRJ

Well Russians aren’t able to produce a new laucher than 60’s Soyuz, unable to build a better car than a volga, half of his population want to come in western countries, and the press is so gov corrupted than any inforation sound like propaganda, the worst is that rather putting money into their slugish university they would plan the build a cold war concept stealth fighter, in 2007, they really needs to change their minds rather than speaking rubbish about aeronautics, for years that they don’t have USSR budgets, thier aviation inductry is keener to buy stake into Boeing or Airbus than creating something “new” in the next 50 years!

PAK your FA into you pocket, and get a happy life!

Man you know little about Russia, technologically speaking Russian has and is catching up with the West, Russian`s economy is growing and Tupolev, Illyushin and Antonov are not dying as you are claiming, the Tu-204, Tu-334 Il-96 and An-148 still are selling, their MiG-29 and Su-27 are still selling.

Russia`s economy has improved and has recovered the level of 1990, the fact that Sukhoi is now building a RJ aircraft proves Russian aviation is not dying but just re-structuring what once was a purely governmental and protectionist industry, Russia is learning capitalist ways and sooner will be more than the decadent empire it was in the 1990s, Russia is by no means uncapable of building good technology, in fact the An-124 has re started production and that shows you they are not relinquishing the right to build aircraft

See a Tu-204 in Aeroflot colors