Well, I would agree with MiG-23MLD that the F-15 has the cleanest record of fighting….
except that one F-22 took down five F-15s (all of them F-22 pilots) no problem. Basically, while testing the F-22’s stealth and radar range capabilities, F-22 pilots (where were old F-15 pilots) attempted to do everything they could to find and attack the F-22….
but they never even SAW it. One of the pilots noted that after being “shot down” by the machineguns, the first time he saw it was when the F-22 flew over his head. He didn’t even see it fly by on his radar. None of the F-15s even got a lock on it; none of them could even dogfight with it.
In another training exercise (or same one, I don’t remember) in Alaska, 8 F-22s took down 33 F-15s. Same results: None of the F-15s ever saw them, no target locks, no dogfighting.
Come on see first this, what i like about the F-15 is it has kept what it has promised, it has fought the MiG-25, the MiG-29 and the MiG-23 and has beat them all.
I mean even the Russians admitt the F-15 is a great aircraft
For example the F-15 shot down close to 30 MiG-21s, around 15 MiG-23s, 4 MiG-25s and around 10 MiG-29s, i mean the aircraft shot down the high performance MiG-25, the agile MiG-29, the fast MiG-23 and the numerous MiG-21 besides other aircraft among them the Mirage F1.
Of course some have been lost, the number might be debateable, but the number is less than 10% of the kills it has achieved and i mean even taking in consideration russian sources, and less the 4% if we only consider westen sources.
Now compare the F-22 and the F-15 is unfair, we need to see the F-15 shot down aircraft of its own generation and of earlier generation.
The F-22 will be as great as the F-15 if it shoot downs lots of PAK FA or XXJs
See that for example the aircraft was built in large number in Japan, Israel and Saudi Arabia bought large number of the F-15, Korea has bought also another important number, so it has some degree of commercial success, probably other fighters could have done quit similar however one thing about the F-15 is quit remarkable is even newer fighters like the MiG-29 were stll shot down, yeah we can say their pilots were not as good it is true the F-15 fought with some degree of superiority in numbers but still the aircratf never disappointed their users.
Ok. Firstly, I don’t want a lot of loyalty crap (who does?) on, “YOU AMERICANS ARE **** AND YOUR AIRCRAFT SUCK *** AND blah, blah, blah!”
Or, better yet, “Nough said” comments (Aircraft XX is better than XY. Nough said.) If you’re going to say something PLEASE put meaning behind it. Otherwise, its just your opinion versus someone else’s facts or interesting statements.
Thirdly, “modern” could mean anything after WWII.
Top Ten Modern Military Aircraft:
— Best kill ratio
— Overall status (of the time)
— Looks (heh, heh, in some cases, “ugly” or “scary” may be put into thought over “sexy”. Such as, A-10 scores high because its ugly, or the F-16 scores high because its sexy or cool.)
— Survivability (compared to aircraft and systems of the day)
— Cost
— Technology (of the time)
— Influence on history
— Most destructive/terrifying
— Mission success rate
— Capacity/capabilities (for its intended job)You might’ve noticed “at the time” everywhere. Well, obviously, state of the art technology in 1970 isn’t the same as it is now. Heck, I picked 10 comparisions, so we could even do a best aircraft in each.
(Basically, I’m just curious to see what people would say. More of a poll than a competition.)
I feel no aircraft can win in all the categories you want to be the basis for winning the trophy, but yeah honestly the F-15 should be the number one because no other aircraft has a combat record as clean as F-15.
best kill ratio: even counting it fought mostly MiG-21s and MiG-23s, it has proven capable of shooting down the MiG-29 and MiG-25
Its overall status has been the best operational fighter since 1972.
The F-15 also looks cool, few have been lost in combat and few in accidents
It was expensive in that sense the aircraft scores low but it was worthed so it has a good price.
So as far as technological achievement well the aircraft might have not been as agile as the MiG-29 or Su-27 but armed with AIM-120 and AIM-9X still rules the sky.
What i like of the F-15 is despite some new aircraft are definitively better the F-15 still can fight them and probably beat them thanks to excellent upgrades that keep them as ferocious as ever.
Get a Su-30MKI and arm your F-15I with Python V and the Su-30MKI won`t have it very easy the F-15 has excellent avionics and has been upgraded and kept as advance as even new modern fighters such as the Rafale and Eurofighter and probaly only recently the F-22 and Eurofighter can claim being better.
I mean it is true the MiG-29OBT and SU-30MKI are only better at BVR gun combat compared to the F-15, but still the F-15 has been proven to be the best all around fighter of all times since 1945 and the combat record speaks for it self.
The only other fighter i could say honestly can compete with the F-15 is the MiG-21 and think in the last half of the XX century only the F-15 and MiG-21 are really the best fighters of all time.
Other aircraft for example have not good reliable scores, the F-14 is one of them its combat record in an unclear one specially its combat record claimed by the Iranians; the F-16 has been shot down and in some wars has failed to kill in air to air combat, the MiG-23 and F-4 endoutedly were good aircraft but both designs were shot down in large numbers, the F-86 and MiG-15 became obsolete fast, other aircraft like the MiG-25 or Mirage III are other too excellent aircraft however despite being excellent aircraft never were as fearful or had the longevity that the F-15 and MiG-21 have
Ok. Firstly, I don’t want a lot of loyalty crap (who does?) on, “YOU AMERICANS ARE **** AND YOUR AIRCRAFT SUCK *** AND blah, blah, blah!”
Or, better yet, “Nough said” comments (Aircraft XX is better than XY. Nough said.) If you’re going to say something PLEASE put meaning behind it. Otherwise, its just your opinion versus someone else’s facts or interesting statements.
Thirdly, “modern” could mean anything after WWII.
Top Ten Modern Military Aircraft:
— Best kill ratio
— Overall status (of the time)
— Looks (heh, heh, in some cases, “ugly” or “scary” may be put into thought over “sexy”. Such as, A-10 scores high because its ugly, or the F-16 scores high because its sexy or cool.)
— Survivability (compared to aircraft and systems of the day)
— Cost
— Technology (of the time)
— Influence on history
— Most destructive/terrifying
— Mission success rate
— Capacity/capabilities (for its intended job)You might’ve noticed “at the time” everywhere. Well, obviously, state of the art technology in 1970 isn’t the same as it is now. Heck, I picked 10 comparisions, so we could even do a best aircraft in each.
(Basically, I’m just curious to see what people would say. More of a poll than a competition.)
My vote is like this
The best modern fighter is undoutedly the F-15
There are many new aircraft some are betetr in many ways but in combat record i guess the f-15 is the best, it has had losses but its operational carrer has shown it has gotten the best combat record of any modern aircraft.
2-MiG-21
3-MiG-25
4-Mirage III
5-F-4
6-F-86
7-MiG-15
8-F-14
9-MiG-23
10-MiG-29
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