This thread is bordering stupidity . I wonder why the mods have it up still as it was based on a FAKE image !!

Funny you replied if it is as stupid as you claim why then bother to reply? you know why you replied? because you in one way or other you like it and you know why you say it is crazy because you want to sound as the one who is right, in few words vanity 😉

Yes, i know am arrogant when it comes to aviation. So?

Good for you but i prefer to be humble because this means arrogant for me:

“Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one’s superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak”

remember the last will be the first, and the one who runs fast not always wins the race

And that was what this F-117 pilot learnt that day
😉

Here is a link for a Mi-24 loss, this was Mi-24 was shot down in 2002 over Chechnya, i posted the picture of the alledged weapon that shot down the Hind from a Russian website you can check it your selves but it says it was shot down by an SA-7 grail (Arrow in Russian denomination) missile or perhaps another systems.
sourceshttp://www.newsru.com/russia/31Aug2002/helicopter.html

here is a picture of a Soviet soldier and his Hind

http://artofwar.ru/img/b/bobrow_g_l/kurilka860doc/index.shtml

Especially a proof that, when the same plane flies for several night over the same gunnery SCHOOL, it is bound to get shot down at one time or the other… If you throw enough rocks in the air, even without aiming, you will probably also hit a bird passing by.

Besides, the F-117 is a 1980’s technology.

You argument is not right because the F-117 before any mission has route planing, it is not like just go there it is more like we check first the neighbourhood and later we throw you up into battle, and the SA-3 detected the F-117 the failure is not a fluke, it is a combination of bad route flight planning and the ability of the Serbs to modify the missile to detect the F-117 in a moonless night, and the worst of all is the aircraft was designed as the super aircraft that was almost inmune to detection, irony some people called fluke to what is basicly a well performed feat by part of the Serbs and a well designed missile 😉

The moral of this there is no small enemy

Nobody takes them seriously because you’d think that they’d be able to come up with even a fraction of the wreckage which would have fallen all over their OWN COUNTRYSIDE.

Was it a Western source or a Russian source that claimed B-2 losses over Yugoslavia?

That would be the missiles pictured below. Which have been featured in the Western media. And just to nitpick, if that really was an S-300PMU kill in your photo, you wouldn’t have an airframe left. You’d have a whole mess of pieces :diablo:

SOC learn this math

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the moral of all this, is when you have a missile of 1950s vintage killing from F-4 to F-117 stealth aircraft you have to worry next time your stealth aircraft flies in a moonless night 😀

You should take them seriously because they shot down the best of the best 1999 USAF aircraft in terms of stealth with a basicly 1950s missile

A lot of “bla bla” to distract from your lack of knowledge about the related details, what does not prevent you to do “strong” claims and and lie simply.
The Israeli side never claimed that Merkava MBTs were not put out of action or became total losses in Lebanon 1982. Your personal problem is, that none was related to a Mi-24, when some where to the Gazelle-Hot-combo.
You even missed the chance to look into the sources given to verify the claims there.
The mayor share of the fighting in Lebanon 1982 was done by the IDF, when the Syrians were limited to the Bekaa and Beyrout area and did not enter that war before the third day!
Too much work and details for propaganda work?!
Some will be surprised, when they may read the translations of your links in Russian.

This links proves you ther russians are not hiding things as you claim

Sourcehttp://airbase.ru/wars/arab-israel/06-1967/airbattles/

You are not honest simply!
None denies, that a Mi-24 can destroy tanks or something other. The Mil-side claimed the Mi-24 did so at several theatres of war. Nothing wrong about that despite the lack of details for own verifications. OK it is about advertisement of the own product, so what.

http://www.mi-helicopter.ru/rus/index.php?id=229

“In one of fights, on October, 27th, 1982, even, there was unique in history a case of defeat by helicopter of a jet fighter aircraft. Iraq Ìè-24 has brought down an anti-tank missile Iranian “Phantom”. During the Lebanese war 1982 syrian Ìè-24 have put out of action about hundred Israeli tanks. Then “dvadtsatchetverki” Sierra Leone, Nicaragua, Kapuchii, the Indian state Dzhamm battled in the sky of Angola,”

When it comes to numbers and claims, the story becomes different and very misleading. Here Mil started to alter reality. None word or claim about the two missions from 10/11 June 1982. Why? A high number like ‘Ìè-24 have put out of action about hundred Israeli tanks’ was thrown in from Mil, what did you reduce carefully to some by your own, without noting that for the readers here! Neither a critic from your side about that claim from Mil, when you did not hesitate to blame western sources in general. A balanced view?!
To save the day for Mil in some way, we can claim, they wrote about Lebanon 1982 in general. Syrian forces did not fight the IDF only, but different armed Lebanese fractions there through that whole year too. Most destroyed or damaged vehicles were not IDF ones, but such details were left aside for a success-claim of the own product.
A gave that example to demonstrate the importance of details, which you like to ignore to keep your view of your own reality. To replace details by “your logic” and your careless way by mixing facts and fiction. If I remember well, it is you, who claims pictures as final proof. Even Stalin knew how to alter pics and we are back to the details. Every incident has numerous details, which could not be altered at the same time and the truth about that incident will surface after some time, when more and more people looked into the related details, which not even Stalin was able to control. Despite that I may have succeed, because “ducks” or “fakes” are immortual.

Yeah and for that you used Israeli sources to support israeli sources yeah yeah yeah, see this you can denied the Merkava and other israeli tanks were destroyed, you are simply reducing the whole battle to a few pictures why? because you know perfectly that the Bekka valley was a not a small battle, both sides fielded a large number of weapons, you know perfectly Israel would not have invaded another country without at least send a great number of israeli tanks.

The Mi-24 is not a helicopter that is inferior to the Gazzele, even in its most primitive weapons has more fire power than the Gazzele, its like comparing a F-111 to an AMX, the Mi-24 is basicly a more powerful machine, tested in combat against even other types of helicopter, it was not shot down in 1982 in Lebanon.

Now the whole base of the matter is not if there is no chance for the Mi-24 could had destroyed tanks obviously it can, it can destroy tanks as good as the Gazzele, the question is you reduce the battle in to few pictures claiming therefore there were no Mi-24 kills.

Reducing the war to a few pictures is a technic used many times to denied kills, if i say this wreck is the only tank destroyed of a war X so you should believe in that war only one tank was destroyed?

The only thing left is then speculation and there is where any account can tell you what ever they want a total fabrication to embelish their version.

You might think propaganda only serves to boast egos but to the contrary is a very well designed plot to sell weapons of either side, Russian or French in this case, but in technical terms there is no advantages of the Gazzele over the Mi-24 and there is where your account needs to claim the Syrians did not operate the Hinds on time, but the Russian sides claims it was operated and the funny of all Is we have to believe ACIG a western source which has no real way of being more knowledgeable than Mil in what respect the Syrian Mi-24 lebanese combat record and i have shown you the Russian do not hide their losses as you claim i even posted a Mi-24 shot down in Afganistan form Russian sources

Another Mi-24 destroyed in the post soviet wars in the caucasus region
http://www.aif.ru/online/aif/1145/06_01

Hey, if i had EVIDENCE of just one tenth of the stuff you claim, i’d be selling a few rather well-paid articles in no time. Unfortunately, the stuff you consider to be ‘evidence’ most of the time is either falsified drivvel, or blatant lies.

Any moron can post a picture of a wreck and make up some BS story about it’s crash, and unfortunately you seem to love take all that nonsense bukkake-style.

But then again, i have something for you. The picture attached shows the wreck of a Dutch F-16. A little secret for you: it wás actually shot down during Allied Force, on April 1st 1999, over the city of Nis. Reason this hasn’t been published yet, is that it was actually shot down by an S300PMU missile, which Yugoslavia of course “didn’t have” according to those holy Western sources… :diablo:

So if you don’t buy that bullcrap from me, why do you from other anonymous internet users, particularly ones whose credentials you know nothing about?

There is one reason you can not even mock me well, the vast majority of Russian claims can not be niether totally refuted niether totally proved you pretend to be so cool and smart to mock me up. no man, you are not even serious, the whole point about the tanks is this:I said that i have evidence that there were Israeli tanks destroyed in 1982, i have shown you evidence, i proved to you the Mil coorporation claims some of the tanks were destroyed by Mi-24s

Sens aduces because none of the pictures i have shown you are Mi-24 victories proves you there were no Mi-24 victories and therefore the ACIG account is true.

I never said these were Mi-24 victories, but these were implicit evidences that the Mil cooporacion claims are logic.

In fact i will say it, as i have no evidence of Mi-24 kills, you have no evidence of the contrary you have not proved there were not Mi-24 victories.

And it bores me to argue in a circle where niether you prove your point with evidence but simply you or me argue things that are basicly likely but not proven.

The simple fact the Mi-24 victories have the same odds of being true as of being false has been proven by me as you have done

And that is where you are not very good you argue as if you were there in 1982 and you have all the pictorial evidence. 😉