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  • in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536448
    MiG-23MLD
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    No problem MiG-23MLD. Sometimes russian sources are “dangerous”.
    Otherwise, I love so much your Mig-23 photos, posted in other topics. 🙂

    Cheers.

    yeah i see 😮 but thank you

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536457
    MiG-23MLD
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    That must be the dumbest claim I have ever encountered. 😎

    Come on man i addmit this time i made a big mistake and i really fell over the source but is of humans make mistakes and the porpouse of the forum is learn, this time 😮 i feel ashame but whithout these mistakes and corrections we would not get to the truth and i prefer live in the light ashame that in the darkness with pride, i was wrong and i owe an apollogy to every one, but that is life we need to learn from others.
    Cheers

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536481
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Sorry man. But this is the truth.

    I was totally wrong, i admit it, that is the same picture

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536496
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    At work at this moment. This afternoon at home i search on my archive and post it. Is a well know colour photo. The definitive clue is the radome on the ground.

    okay if you prove it i will admitt i was wrong, and i was decieved.
    but you have to prove it.

    Gracias

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536519
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Next time make thread about UFO shot down by a Moskito….Apart from this crap you posted,every time somebody post something from russian source it will be with less credibility becouse of your dumb thread.To make thing even funny:
    “This first victory occurred on 8 June 1982 in the valley Of Bekaa above Lebanon. Syrian Colonel- ace, who piloted the newest Mi-24V, with the rockets R -60MK attacked the column of Israeli armament and personally destroyed with ATGM 5 tanks, armored carrier and mobile AA vehicle. Israelis called to help the pair of fighters, and one of them, “phantom”, (although witnesses – Soviet military specialists, who inspected fragments, they came to the conclusion that this one of three biased American F -14 “Tomket” with the “freshlyn-draw stars of David”) going at the speed of 1,4M into the attack on Mi-24V, it gave out itself by the emission of radar. Helicopter unrolled on the bearing and produced launching 2x R -60MK from the distance of more than 8 km into the forward half sphere, whereas the first of which applied to fighter fatal damages, and the second converted Israeli fighter with the intermediate range rockets “Sparrow” (or “Phoenix”) into the cloud of the blazing fragments.”
    And if someone have the time to read the hole article, he will find that also Mi-24/35 shot down another Phantom,Su-25,A-37,F-16,F-86,CH-47,S-65,2 AH-64D and more than dozen AH-1……..

    Why you do not post Russian aircraft are crap and the western aircraft are unbeatable, the F-14 was protected by a field force that no missile even guided by infra red can detect, nothing imposible so then why the Ka-50 has air to air missiles?

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536538
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    MiG, come on, man. That AIM-54 looks like it was hand-drawn. The wreck is practically unidentifiable, but putting that aside, the obviously fake missile image destroys any credibility the picture might have had. Bottom line: if (as you say) the wreckage is so clearly an F-14, then why did someone feel the need to add a very crude image of a Phoenix?

    Also, given the dimensions of the wreck (assuming it’s a Tomcat), the Phoenix isn’t the right size.

    there is one thing in what the MiG-29 and F-14 look alike structurally speaking, it is the fact the MiG-29 and F-14 have pancakes, however in that picture i see the wing root is thicker and abruptly becomes thinner as the wing glove of an F-14, the MiG-29 booms where the taiplanes are located are quit thin, at least from the picture it does not seem to be MiG-29 taiplanes

    These are MiG-29 wreckages see the differences

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/mig29bosnia12.jpg
    http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig29bosnia3.jpg

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/mig29nikolic05.jpg

    By the way there is a drawing of an AIM-54, but that is only to show the shape of the AIM-54 missile which is located beside it, that drawing in the circle is not what the article claims as the AIM-54, but the AIM-54 is located where the red words say AIM-54

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536544
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    The photo is fake. In fact is the famous iraqi Mig-29 destroyed on Desert Storm with missiles under wings. This is a black and white caption from the nose.

    Why you do not show the original picture? show it and let`s compare it, prove it is a MiG-29 and not an F-14

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536584
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    I just looked at that picture. It looks like my little sister’s first try at MS Paint. 😀

    MiG, do you really believe that picture shows an AIM-54? I can’t even make the Tomcat out of that wreckage.

    Let`s start by one point why they need to add to an F-14 wreckage an AIM-54 phoenix?, it is foolish to think the already visible F-14 variable geometry structure and the fact it is a F-14 wreckage needs a AIM-54 addition does it need it?
    All your seudo professional analysis amounts to nothing if you do not ask the most important question is that an F-14?

    It is an F-14 wreckage, the fins are visible, the variable geometry wing is visible, any argument about the AIM-54 is just a poorly elaborated argument to forget the F-14 wreckage is there.

    In fact you can tell apart the wing glove from the moveable part of the swing wing even you can see the whole variable geometry wing structure, one of the vertical fins is visible, it also possible to see one of the tailplanes

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536638
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    I’ll just wade in with this much about that… Dubious photo in the first place – the purported ‘AIM-54 Phoenix’ in the foreground is most certainly NOT from that wreckage – someone’s poor attempt at cut-and-paste. For all the bright, near-vertical-lighting highlights in the rest of the photograph, there’s not a single bright spot on that ‘Phoenix’.

    I won’t even guess at the aircraft type.

    Yeah yeah yeah :rolleyes: if the shot down a western aircraft and they show you a picture the only answer you can give is fake yeah yeah of course that is a poor way to answer, the F-14 is not an perfect, it is just an machine it can be shot down, the picture is clearly of a aim-54 check the picture is already 34 years old

    in reply to: Most maneuverable modern non-TVC fighter? #2536668
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Ideal? Throw away the AWACS from the picture and replace the Typhoons with Spitfires/Zeros… then yes I would agree that video will work both in theory and reality! :rolleyes:

    This video here, though fictional as well, potray a much closer scenario than the one u posted. And I’m refering to the part where Typhoon engages the Su-35 at the last section of the video… enjoy! 😉

    The Funny thing is both videos claim both a theoretical result, the reality is more complex and the Su-35 is not an easy victim but the Su-35BM is not going to be easy to shoot down even the old MiG-31 armed with R-37s can do the job and kill typhoons even armed with Meteor 😉

    The cruel reality is the Typhoon is not going to be as good as portraited because the enemy is as good as it.

    in reply to: Most maneuverable modern non-TVC fighter? #2536682
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Indeed an excellent video, however contents are largely fictional at best…

    Not fictional simply they show an ideal scenario, it is not unlikely but it is not as easy as it might seem, in theory the Su-35BM should be as good as that.

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536695
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Yeah, right :rolleyes:
    First question:
    Did Syria have Mi-24V in 1982? Nope.
    Second question:
    Was the R60 cleared for the Hind by 1982? Nope. Happened after the Rust incident.
    Third question:
    Was there an F-14 crash on that day? Nope. There was one on June 24th, but that was a Pacific Fleet one, and the Med has Atlantic Fleet units.
    And (haven’t got my dictionary at hand), but does this quote “F-14 “Томкет” со “свеженарисованными звёздами Давида” really say the Tomcat had Israeli roundels painted on?

    Eighty-megatonnes-rubbish.

    Up to you, the pictures speak more than 1000 words, what Syria had or had not Russia knows better than any other nation because they sell weapons to Syria.

    indeed it says Israeli roundels painted

    According to the article it also says the Mi-24 and AH-1J Cobra fought several air to air combats , it says the R-60MK armed Mi-24 was quit deadly and shot down several AH-1 Helicopters, of course it mentions the Mi-24 also suffered losses

    in reply to: F-14 shot down by a Mi-24. Mi-24 combat record #2536720
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Whose AF did the “supposed” F-14 belong to?

    According to the article the aircraft was an israeli F-14, hardly to believe because Israel does not operate F-14s however Israel did evaluate the f-14 and it seems they did it in 1982

    in reply to: F-22 Doing A Cobra Maneuver #2537171
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    your notions of faceting versus aerodynamics are quite incorect.

    the facteing in F117 that made it bad flyer was that the angle of facet (that we could compare to sweep angles) was not optimum even bad for the inflow going.

    just in the nose , the airflows vetors encountered thick surfaces less than 40° degrées surfaces.
    in addiation all thoses surface were not blended to follow the flows.

    Wich has nothing to do with raptor where NOWHERE incoming flows encounter high section areas.

    It you had read what i wrote, i told you one the Low Observable theory used today is not to have direct reflection by diverting, and on part of the plane that are necessarily reflection, adjusting sweep angles so that the returns are not done in the emitter directions.

    Read it and dig it. this principle applies to EVERY PLANE because what you mention, are parts of the plane that , on all plane, poses problems for stealth.
    Every tail is a big reflector, nose from side is a reflector etc..

    So LM choosed selected sweep angles, they are not flat as you see to believe and morevore their relative inclinaison has nothing to do with airsflows.
    Airflows come for ahead and the section of the nose of the raptor (wich is lower than that of an F-15) does not pose any problem.

    As to convince you, the F5 SSBD prooved its reduction in supersonic drag having and F-22 like nose (steched but with same section).

    OGAMI Mushashi

    Stealth is based upon two principles: one is radar absorbent materials and the other reflection angle or radar emission scattering, like light that is also a electromagnetic wave, the stealth treatment is absed upon reflection, refraction and absoption of radio waves.

    The basic principle was reflect the less radar emission by absorbing it, reflecting it away from the original emitter radar.

    The F-117 uses faceting in great degree, the F-22 in less degree, the most important is the reflection angle, this is what forced engineers to facet the aircraft fuselage and use planform alignment.

    A fractal angle is used in the F-22 to give it the same reflection angle at any point where two edges form an angle or two surfaces meet.

    but aerodynamics have played a bigger role in the F-22 fuselage, also the F-22 needed some fuselage wing blending and a more parabolic countour of its radome.

    The rhomboid shape and serrated nozzles are features seen in the F-22 as in the B-2, F-117 and F-35.

    Of course the F-117 and the F-22 are different because one is a pure stealth fighter and an expensive diamond and the other is a much less faceted aircraft a cheap diamond but better fighter, a true fighter.

    the F-117 is a flying diamond, while the F-22 is a faceted F-15ACTIVE

    in reply to: F-22 Doing A Cobra Maneuver #2537281
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Good god, now edge alignment is faceting? :rolleyes:

    Edge alignment is done using a fractal angle, the same used for faceting the forward fuselage nose, cabin, radome, nacelles and inlets in few words the entire fuselage.

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