Also the WS-11 and the Kunlun core.

Then there are turbojets. There is no nation outside the P5 with a list that even comes remotely close in mil-aviation engines. Even a highly developed Western nation like Sweden who is the most successful mil aircraft producer in Europe after France and the UK depends on American engines.

Co. des. a/c dry (lbs) wet (lbs)

Liming WP6 J-6, JJ-6, Q-5/-5I/-5IA/-5II, A-5C/K 5,732 8,929
Liming WP6A Q-51, A-5M 6,614 8,267
Liming WP6B J-12 5,511 8,929
Liming WP7 J-7 8,598 12,676
Liming WP7A J-8 9,698 13,265
Liyang WP7B J-7, JJ-7, J-8I 9,700 13,448
Liyang WP7C J-7I/II 9,588 13,623
Liyang WP7F J-7E 9,921 14,330
XAE WP8 H-6 20,944
Liyang WP13 J-7III, J-8II ‘Finback-B’ 9,039 14,550
Liyang WP13A II J-7III, J-8II ‘Finback-B’ 9,590 14,815
Liyang WP13B J-8II ‘Finback-B’ 15,430

The vast majority of the aircraft built in China’s were military jets. Fighters in particular which meant turbojets.

AVIC I affiliates 50000 plus aviation engines
AVIC II affiliates 23600 aviation engine

http://www.avic2.com/JiTuanJJ/erji_jj.htm

How many J-7/MiG-21 have been produced? up to what i know around 2400, how many J-6/MiG-19 i have read close to 3000. how many J-5 around 1800, how many J-2/MiG-15 around 800, Q-5 around another 1000
The H-6 and H-5 won`t amount to a few hundred or barely more than thousend aircraft calculate another 400 J-8 and J-8II.

The Chinese article talks about aero engines but hardly the chinese have built more than 10,000 Jets and basicly you are claiming that those 73000 aeroengines built meant they have changed 7 times each jet engine to each aircraft 😮

The Chinese article talks of Aero engines of all types and categories not only of jets
In fact one of the most produced aircraft in China is a propeller and that is the Yak-18/CJ-5 with more than 10000 built

Only of 136 Avro Vulcan, England made 544 jet engines, Check that only of the Avro Vulcan the british made 544 jet engines not including spares

only of Fokker 100/70 and F28 England Produced 1100 jet engines not including spares to power 550 aircraft

I did say jet engines and I meant it. Military jet engines since that is what we are discussing here. Who said China built more engines than Russia? Why bring up phoney arguments?

My statement is very simple:
China has one of the three most prolific jet engines industry in the world. Only Russia and the United States have produced more jet engines than China.

No one claims that China is better at building jet engines than the other four. China certainly built a lot of them. If you insist that France and the UK built more than go ahead and believe it. Who cares?

That isn’t even the argument. The argument here is about the WS-10A and the fact that China has made thousands of jet engines and supported a 4000 plane air force that is matched only by two others.

It also had been building and experimenting with turbofans since the 1960s.

So if not better than the other four fellow members of the P5, it certainly have more experience any other state outside the UN Security Council elite.

England and France have more experience building jets and you have no data for how many jet engines have China, England and france built you rushed to conclusions only to claim China has built more jet engines than France or England without any data.

You are claiming aeroengines meant jet engines something that is not correct
in few words you are claiming something that the chinese never claimed

AVIC I ALONE had produced over 50,000 engines. AVIC II ALSO produces engines. I read trade piblications. China produced more military jet engines in the post-war era than any others except the United States and the USSR.

No one is making the claim that China is more advanced than France or Britain.

In fact, I SPECIFICALLY said out of 191 nations registered with the UN, there are four which China is not necessarily better than. Those are the other members of the P5.

I said China is simply more prolific not necessarily better than the rest of the P5. You can’t be prolific at anything without being somewhat good at it. Unless you believe that people can doing something 50 or 60 thousand times and never progress :rolleyes:

From http://tzswj.mofcom.gov.cn/accessory/200603/1143013810801.pdf

If you say aircraft engines remember England Produces lots of them, but you are claiming 55000 Jet engines! 😮 without considereing France and England produced aircraft Like the Comet, Caravelle, One-Eleven, VC-10 many of which were powered by four Jet engines, that publication seem to have a correct number because as aircraft engines including props and Turbo Props it is believeable neverthelessl Englad has lots of aircraft to power and in Jet engines well i do not think the Chinese have ever produce more MiG-21s, MiG-19s, MiG-15s, Il-28s or Tu-16s than Russia and very likely Russia must be the nations that can justify that number of jet engines but China can not.

in fact the page never talks about 55000 jet engines but of aero engines of different categories and Types

Engines need replacments

I do know engines need replacement but have you thought that England has a very long list of aircraft to fit engines and many aircraft actually use British engines?

here is a list of aircraft that use British engines now calculate that many arcraft have been produced in large numbers calculate that many aircraft are commercial and that rolls royce is one of the largest companies in the world.

Aircraft powered by Brithish jet engines

AMX, Aeritalia GR9, Aermacchi M.B 326, Avro Vulcan, BAC Camberra, BAC Lighting ,Vickers VC-10, BAe Harrier, BAe strike Master 167, BAe Nimrod, BAe Hawk, Blackburn Buccaneer S.2, De havilland Vampire, De havilland Venom, FMA IA27 Pulqu, Fuji T-1A, Gloster Meteor, handley-Page Victor, Peercival P.84, Hawker Hunter, Hawker Sea Hawk, Hawker Siddely Gnat, Lockheed Tristar, F-4 FG.Mk 1, Specat Jaguar, Panavia Tornado. Soko G-2A Galeb,, Soko J-1 Jastreb, Soko G-4 Super Galeb, Soko/Avioane IAr-63A/J-22, SAAb A-21, SAAB J32B Lansen, SAAb J-35J Draken, Supermarine Swift FR.Mk 5, Supermarine Scimitar, Gloster Javelin, Avro RJ100, BAC/Aerospatialle Concord, BAC One-eleven, Boeing 757, Boeing 747, Boeing 777, Fokker F-28, Fokker 70 and 100

China can not compete with england becasue it has not the technology to make engines in the Class of the Trent and of the Pegasus

Calculate how many engines England has produced? if even makes engines for the lockheed L1011, Boeing 747 and A-380

Making engines. China made around 55,000 military jet engines. More than any other nation except for the US and the former USSR.

Unless you can place an military jet engine on a Cannon copier and an engine magically comes out the other end, you will have to do something called “manufacturing.”

Not my commotion.

At any rate, it’s more skilled than 187 of the 191 members of the United Nations at manufacturing jet engines, the four China is not necessarily better than are the other members of the P5.

Well where you get those over inflated numbers? 55,000 jet engines? tell me please where are those 55000 jets? China basicly builds MiG-19/Q-5, MiG-21, MiG-15, MiG-17 and J-8/J-8II the numbers are totally over board, China hardly has build 25000 twin engine jets, has it?

In that case is more probable than Russia has built that number than China.

You also forget all the commercial jets Rolls Royce has built or all the Sea Harriers for the US and RAF, Snecma has build a large number too.

How many MiG-21/J-7s? how Many MiG-19s and MiG-15s? China`s aircraft production is in the thousends but does not get as far as 55000 jet engines specially when all the J-10s, JH-7, and FC-1 use non chinese engines.

The French have basicly built several thousends Mirages and with England powered aircraft like the Concord, Jaguar, Alpha Jet,
Europe has built more jet engines by far than China and more important of all classes and domestic, not licensed

Where did I say the did? I said to write the software you need to know the subject.

Did you even read what I wrote?

That’s good since it’s pretty obvious you’ve got a serious reading comprehension problem going on there.

Wikipedia :rolleyes:

That’s actually kinda surprising. Wonder how accurate it is. I wonder if you can go buy nuclear bomb simulation software off the shelf too.

So where are all the prototypes?

Russian Fifth Generation Fighter to Be Lifted into Air in 2007

The Russian fifth generation fighter will be lifted into the air in 2007, The Russian Federation air force commander-in-chief, General of the Army Vladimir Mikhaylov, has announced.

“Right now we are completing the second stage of the airplane’s creation,” he reported in an interview for Rossiyskaya Gazeta. – “We are affirming the preliminary design ((TEKHPROEKT)) right now and in parallel with this recommendations have been developed for the production of individual parts.”

Because of that, I have no doubts that the fifth generation fighter will fly in the established time, that is, in 2007,” Mikhaylov emphasized. Moreover, in Mikhaylov’s opinion, there is not need to replace the Tu-160 and Tu-95 strategic bombers in the near future with a new generation of airplanes, ((but)) their upgrade is needed.

“The only problem with the Tu-160, which was developed in the ‘70s, is somewhat aging avionics,” he said. – “The problems will be gone after the upgrade. If necessary – we will perform a second and third upgrade.”

According to the CinC, the airframe itself can fly a minimum of 50 years. Considering that the aircraft reached the inventory in 1986, it still can serve “not less than 30 years.”

There is a similar situation with the Tu-95, Mikhaylov noted.

The Russian Federation air force CinC also reported that the Mi-28 helicopter will be army aviation’s main helicopter, and the Ka-52 and Ka-60 will be exported and for execution of special missions. “The Ka-52 is in principle not a bad aircraft. But it has more deficiencies that, for example, the Mi-28 has. So it is no accident both the president and all the rest adopted the Mi-28 as the basic helicopter for our army aviation,” the CinC noted. “The Ka-52 and Ka-60 – its modification as it were, will be adopted into the inventory in a limited quantity. Including for performance of special operations,” he specified.

Vladimir Mikhaylov also noted that the S-400 “Triumf” anti-aircraft missile complex will be the starting point for transition to air and space defense. “We plan to transition from the S-400 to and air and space defense when the anti-aircraft missiles complexes operate not only against aerial but also against space targets,” the CinC declared. – “There are such products ((NARABOTKI)). One more missile is being made for it and in general we have good prospects here.” According to the CinC, as early as this year the first regiment equipped with the S-400 “Triumf” will be adopted into the inventory. It will be deployed to the city of Fryazevo near Moscow.

The “Triumf” anti-aircraft missile complex was developed by the PVO Almaz-Antey concern. It is intended for the destruction of cruise missiles, airplanes and also the warheads of ballistic missiles in a wide range of altitudes at a range up to 400 kilometers.

Source: 18.05.06, Voenno-Promyshlennyy Kur’er

and
A Fifth Generation Fighter: Just What Is It?

It isn’t an airplane that is needed, but an integrated combat aviation system

((EXTRACT/GIST of extremely long article, which discusses, in part, worldwide efforts and achievements in so-called fifth generation airplanes.))

Looking at the history

((Mentions Western developments and such Russian aircraft as Mikoyan Aritcle 1.44.
Points out Chinese are researching a fifth generation fighter, aerodyanmics of which are based on the MFI and PAK FA. Also states American influence on India’s development does not rule out appearance of a fifth generation program in that country.))

The new ideology of a combat airplane…

((Quotes director of State Scientific Institute of Aircraft Systems, Evgeniy Fedosov, as saying that, “research of the overall concept of a fifth generation fighter began immediately after the adoption of the main examples of the fourth generation of combat airplanes into the inventory, that is, the MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters.”Actually, however, research was approved only in 1991.))

((Devotes a lot of text to U.S. developments. Adds that it is difficult to compare U.S. ATF and Russian MFI, as MFI development was in fact stopped in by 1995.))

((Much discussion about design philosophy in the U.S. and Russia, pointing out that in Russia: “If earlier the main stress for use of a systemic approach to the development of a combat airplane was suitable to the investigation of the airplane itself as an aviation complex, then now it had gone beyond these limits. New approaches to the formation of a fifth generation fighters appearance accentuated the attention of the developers to the fact that ‘the airplane itself is a part of an integrated system; it can receive information about a combat situation both independently and from other sources, and also transmit such data to other system users.’ … the responsiveness ((UCHET)) of the system’s usage characteristics and of many other systems, without which combat aviation cannot exist, is of huge significance. In particular, such an integrated understanding of this problem has defined the appearance in the new ideology of a combat airplane the notion of a ‘system of systems’.”))

…and a new combat system

((A great deal of text devoted to Western, especially U.S. , design and doctrine philosophies.))

The fighter’s “marketability”

((Very briefly touches on this topic.))

Source: 19.05.06, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozrenie, Correspondent: Vyacheslav Volodin