kevinwmnot too sure that the scheme suites the Saab 340… the titles look alittle out of place and rather on the small side especially on the tail….
Yes I have to agree with you there looks rather squashed , the Tail logo looks to be set down to far , could have moved it futher up the tail
Kevin
kevinwmIve spoken to Rab on the phone,
He texted me after he had sold his gear , so there was no point trying to talk him round , though I did try 🙁 🙁 but to no avail
In fact In the last few hours I recieved another text saying he was selling his PC as well
The End Of Darkside Aviation 🙁 🙁
Kevin
kevinwmWow, you’ve falsely stereotyped a whole country and profession. I for one are glad you won’t be flying on our airlines or coming to our country. Stay away.
Just shows you’re arogance towards the whole world , take the blinkers off there is life outside the US borders ,or is the world that bad you need you’re guns all the time
Surprise!! here in the Uk we dont have guns on Planes, or have to carry then for our own protection I wonder why that is?
I ve been all over the world , In only 2 places have I felt such unease Johannesburg and The USA, but i would go back to Joburg
kevinwmDonna must have taken them , there to good for you :p :p :p
cracking shots , nice to see them in the light , as they only Turn up at PIK during the night early morning
Kevin
kevinwm0. But to state that you’ll never fly within a country because of one isolated incident is taking things a bit far don’t you think?
Lawdart
In The Free world a person has the right to make their own decisions My decision, have been made after more than one unreported and reported incidents that relates to security and general safety in the USA since 9-11 , and this event justifies my attitude not to fly with in the USA
So The holster has a Known issue, then why do the continue to use it?
It is Simple , you dont have to be to clever to relise that if the equipment is faulty then leave it well alone , even if it means leaving the Gun behind, but in the USA The RAMBO Attitude seems to prevail over common sense
kevinwmSo you’ve based your whole displeasure with the program on this accident? Obviously no one has stated that this accident is acceptable and I’m sure a few procedures weren’t followed but how does that invalidate the whole program? Has one aviation accident invalidated your belief in the capabilities of all law/rule/procedure abiding pilots? Has one medical error invalidated your belief in the abilities of every doctor? You hold folks to very bizarre standards.
When One Professional endangers the Lives of so many, with his stupid actions Yes I have very High standards ,
When I fly I entrust my life in a professionals to get me to my destanation safely , not have him endander it by discharging a weapon for no good reason
Not all handguns have a traditional safety as you may envision which is the case for the weapon FFDO’s are issued. Glocks, Springfield and H&K for example offer versions of their handguns that have different safety’s. Springfield has a grip lever that must be depressed and a double/slotted trigger that requires both to be pulled in order to fire. Such systems are used to allow LEO’s to have a gun that is “safe” when not being handled but immediately ready to fire once drawn. H&K provides the guns for FFDO’s and their version of the safety allows the gun to be carried “cocked and locked”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_USP
See above, not all weapons have your movie inspired safety lock. I have this feeling you haven’t taken a gun safety class. These are the 3 cardinal rules for gun safety:
1. Always keep the gun in a safe direction
2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot
3. Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use
4 Years service In Her majestys armed Forces , what about you’res ??it might have been a long time ago ,but it something you never forget, it was drummed into us , so that Incidents like this dont happen
If you’re at 30,000′ and the airplane breaks are you going rely on the pilot or are you calling a mechanic?
If you’re at 30,000′ and the airplane catches on fire are you going rely on the pilot or are you calling the fire department?
If you’re at 30,000′ and you encounter weather are you going to rely on the pilot or are you calling the weather man?
If you’re at 30,000′ and someone attempts to breach the cockpit are you going to rely on the pilot or are you calling the Police?
We can all come up with what if,s and you seem to have a really good imagiantion when it come to that ,but the facts remain a Pilot discharged a weapon whilst in Flight casuing the bullet to pierce fusalage of a Plane , the only mitigating facts were no one was injured or Killed
Or Is that not Clear enough for you
My Question still Stands WD what was this Pilot doing with this gun out , (remeber the tree golden rules you metioned)when It should have been securley stowed for Flight,
There was no Valid reason for him to be handling it at the time , when he should be concentrating on flying the Plane (that includes all the other flying duties :rolleyes: )
Pilots are trained to Fly Planes , not play with GUNS
Its That Simple
ThreeDelta ,I havent said that Pilots should not be able to defend themself,My point is This Pilot had no Valid reason to have this weapon out in the first place
I will ask you this question, you enter the flight deck in the course of you’re duties , and the captin is siting playing about with the gun would you feel safe ,
kevinwmWD, You are asking me to answer a what if situation,Yes pilots should be allowed to defend themself ,and i have never said that they cant , I have pointed out that thes person was playing about with a loaded weapon, and discharged it , , you say he was stowing it away , why did he have it out in the first Place , had there been an atempt to gain access to the cockpit, by soime one , as far as i can see No , so whay did he have it out in the first Place, why did he have it cocked , why was the safety catch off???
so how about you answering those questions , or is that they way Pilots are trained to carry Guns in the USA , if it is god help us all
Basic weapons training teaches you the only time you Cocked the weapon and have the safety off is when you are about to fire the weapon , common sensence
If my house is on fire i call the professionals to deal with , not a pilot
If im ill I call the professionals not a Pilot
If I want some one to fly a Plane , I call a Pilot, not Rambo
kevinwmNo-one has yet answered what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question:
If you feel that this incident was acceptable, then how many times would firearms have to be accidentally discharged inside the cockpit of an airliner before it becomes UNacceptable?
I’m not interested in the politics or the “pro-” and “anti-” posturings, just a number and (preferably) a rationale.
Grey ,
wouldnt hold my breath waiting for a reply :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
kevinwmAll armed pilots are trained for carrying and using their weapon. Every 6 months they requalify with their weapon. It isn’t some sort of fly by night operation.
I find it comical that some folks believe that pilots should only fly the plane. May I ask what a pilot should do if someone breeched the cockpit? Only fly the plane? If someone approached you as you sat at your computer at work and started beating you with a baseball bat I guess we could assume you would continue to only type away at the keyboard. What may I ask would happen if a pilot turned their attention away from flying the plane for 1 minute? 2 minutes? 10 minutes? Personally the longest I’ve gone without touching anything other than a radio tuning knob is nearly 4 hours. I’m surprised the aircraft didn’t come screaming out of the sky in a ball of fire.
First was any one trying to get into the cockpit at the time this weapon was discharged , answer NO , so what was this guy doing with a this loaded gun that made it go off, certainly not doing his duty which is concentrating on flying the aircraft (derliction of Duty ) Unless his contract states that he can play about with loaded gun at at any time
Secondly how are these persons going to get acces to the cockpit , if i remember correctly all aircraft were suposed to have amoured doors fitted and that they were to be kept lock during flight, or dose that only apply to airliners outside the USA? and what happened to the Sky Marshalls?
like i said The Pilots are professionals at their job , flying planes they are not trained to use weapons properly as this incident shows, the millitary and the Police are specially trained to use these weapons , so going by what you have said dose the 1 week course in flying aircraft make either a soldier or police officer a competent person to fly? , would you’re company employe either one ? I think the answer to both would be NO even thought they get 6 month refresher courses, I know who I would rather have at the controls of a aircraft that im in, but if a Pilot wants to play with guns in a cockpit , Join the Airforce
For a living i drive a truck, and one thing that the authorities have been raming down our throats is that you can only do one thing safely whilst driving , thats driving , not speaking on a mobile phone, eating my breakfast , reading a paper, playing with a loaded gun, shaving , ect……….
WHY, because its is DANGEROUSE and pepole have been killed
They only good thing to come out of this was no one was injured, and belive me it will happen again its only a matter of time that some one will either get killed or injured , I look forward to youre coments when this happens
kevinwmIm sorry but the last time I heard Pilots are trained to Fly planes , not play about with loaded guns, what was he doing with this weapon in the first Place , for it to discharge it requires the safety catch to be moved to the off Position ,so some one must have been mucking about with it , or do the regularly fly with a loaded weapon with the safety off INCREDULOS
Its time thses Guys stuck to what the are trained and Paid for Flying Planes not Playing Cowboys and Indians .leave the guns to the Police and army thats what they are paid for (or can they take a weeks course and become Professional Pilot now)
kevinwmBrilliant shots Kev!! Best from you by a country mile.. simply outstanding… particularly love the text type on white background… and of course the awesome “photobucket” logo in every one… pure class:diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
(Em… i’m being a fud…. can’t see the shots Kev.. kick some photobucket ass and get them back up)
I think you should check the date Scotty :p :p , this is a old thread that some has reserected , had to delet them at the begining of the Year due bandwidth problems , I still have the original RAW files, but delted the jpg many moons ago from my PC
Kevin
kevinwmAll the 200ER series 757 are to be converted these are
BPEC
BPED
BPEE
BPEJ
BPEK
so keep an eye out for them
Kevin
kevinwmSome of the 757,s will be fitted with winglets , as these will be transfered to BA Open Skies
Kevin
kevinwmNew RyanAir Service, Cattle class ,or is it the Intermodule service :dev2: :dev2:
kevinwmThanks Guys for the comments,
Si unfortunately I start back on that Thursday , so wont be around , but if you want I will pm you the best places to go
As for the 40D, wow what a camera, still plenty to learn about it and looking forward to the better weather and some trips abroad
Woody , just cant resist a good 757 you should know that by now
Stu, Ive warned the border patrol that you were thinking about coming up here , and they promised me they will get you the next time:p :p , and I have cleaned out the bin shed for you this time , not going to disturb the cats for you :diablo:
Gerry , Cheers mate , cost me a fortune for that snow , and the promised me it would last for about five day , so im going back to shop to complain:dev2:
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