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  • in reply to: South Korean cargo plane carrying 2 crashes #575989
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    @VeeOne, profit is still the bottom line so they will not sacrifice payload for heavier containers. We are still expendable.

    727Vet, Well I did wonder if I was being cynical by thinking there was a profit/loss equation here that might weight up aircraft/aircrew loss against potential profit by the risk taking. I wonder how many aircraft have to be lost in a financial year to make this sort of thing not worth the grief for the bean counters? I guess in the end it is a insurance issue for them. The bean counters count the cost in high insurance rates rather than aircrew lives (not to mention those on the ground). Pretty sad and twisted world we live in.

    in reply to: Booker Airfield Mega-Stadium Plan Booted Out ! #411109
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    I flew out of Booker back in the mid 1980s and back then it was a busy airfield with sailplanes on one side of the circuit and fixed-wing on the other. And Personal Plane Services with their 3 spitfires in one of the hangers. There were two large flying clubs (I was with BA flying Club).

    I don’t understand why such a busy working airport business would even be considered for redevelopment?

    Anyway, it is great news the airfield is no longer under threat. 🙂

    in reply to: South Korean cargo plane carrying 2 crashes #576168
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    Maybe it is time dangerous cargo has special cargo containers that don’t allow fire or corrosive material to pass into the aircraft fuselage?

    in reply to: My July Wanderings pt.2 Speyer Museum #477720
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    What an amazing collection of aeroplanes! Thanks for posting these. Lovely to see some old designs that I can remember when they were actively airworthy. 🙂

    in reply to: My July wanderings Pt.4 Heathrow July 15 #477724
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    Nice photo set. Interesting to see how these airlines have changed their liveries in the last 30 years. Except Air Algerie which seems to be similar to the white livery of 1980.

    in reply to: My July wanderings Pt.3 GA fields in the south UK #477727
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    I see Cabair have done well at Blackbushe. No Three Counties Flying Club aircraft? Must have gone under since my time there.

    in reply to: DC-3 in for Air Livery…… #478048
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    C-47… sweet. 🙂

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478091
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    IL62M… I believe Stansted was used for instrument procedural training back then. It was the last uk airport to have a fan marker locator as part of the non-precision approach system on 23. (These were obsolescent with the new TDMEs.) I believe Heathrow only got rid of it’s Locator Outer Markers (LOMs) in the 1990s. I had an old approach plate for STN-23 that I was going to show but I cannot find it. If you saw Vanguards at different heights they were probably practicing visual approaches (i.e. type training) rather than instrument approaches.

    LONGSHOT… only slightly ironic maybe! Things have changed a quite a lot since 1960s for female aircrew. There was amused prejudice when I started flying aeroplanes in the mid 1970s. Even by the mid 1990s I believe female airline aircrews were sometimes treated disrespectively in the UK (hounded out of the job even). I would like to think we have moved on since then.

    In 1970 a top female commercial pilot with much more experience than her male counterparts for the job tried to get a job flying with BEA. She was refused on the basis that the passengers would not accept women in the cockpit. As bigotted as this sounds I suspect it was not untrue of the 1960s passenger. The TV comedians of the time often made jokes about women drivers and the horror of a woman flying a jet airliner at ‘that’ time of the month. In 2011 this seems a strange attitude similar to the one people once had about negros being less human than whites. I guess we cannot take it out of context of the times they were back then. What is nice about nostaglia (like threads like this one) is that we mainly only recall the good feelings and times. 🙂

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478236
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    Here are a few more postcard images from yesterday’s Heathrow.

    The Queen’s Building viewing area . I think probably circa 1962-63 as there are many Vanguards but no Tridents. The Vanguard has the ‘later’ large BEA square on the fin.

    Also from a fashion point of view notice that no females are wearing trousers – all in dresses and skirts! This photo tells us more about those times than just the aeroplanes in use. I guess this gives insight into why BEA publically refused to hire women as pilots! We have come so far since then.
    http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/LAPqb.jpg

    The north tunnel entrance, I suspect probably circa 1962-63 because of the Vanguard again, which I believe was originally introduced with small BEA square livery but this one has the larger Comet 4B tail scheme.
    http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/laptunnel1960.jpg

    The airport overview. I suspect probably circa 1972 or 73 because although there is a Biman 707 in the (as it was back then) Hotel stands, there appears to be a BOAC 707 and a BEA Trident in the background. But if the Trident is actually BA with basic BEA livery then I would say 1974.
    http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/lapairview1970s.jpg

    And my date assessments probably put me out of my depth again. 😉

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478239
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    TRIDENT MAN… your T1 photo is interesting – from circa 1976-78?

    LONGSHOT… I just love the background of the landing 747 with all those WW2 curvy-roofed huts. I recall them being like that on my first ever visit to LAP but I think they must have been cleared away from 1971. I find it interesting to see the history of airfields/airports. I rather dislike these new (and horribly similar) airports and their ‘andric’ terminals we use these days. But when an airport has some of the old buildings and infrastructure remaining it is really rather atmospheric and interesting.

    Hurn was one of those old-worldie airports until recently. If you went around the back of hurn into the large industrial area and the old BAC hangers (now EAL where they strip down 737-200s and A300s for parts resale) there were these curvy-roofed buildings (still are) and old stuff amongst the new industrial buildings. I saw an old (dumped) PanAm cargo-hold container there five years ago, the ‘PanAm’ logo still looking fresh.

    in reply to: Gatwick Last Week #478286
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    Interesting photos, IE.

    Surprising to see airlines operating without titles.

    Thanks for explaining what the photos were. I guess, without a radio you’d not know what operator they were flying for. 🙂

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478373
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    Hi,

    A great thread, and one that has encouraged me to register after a long time lurking.

    My life literally changed on the Queen’s Building. The story starts in the autumn of 1981 when I got my first radio. I discovered that in those days if you went to the ‘high’ end of FM you could hear the police, and I became a keen listener. Christmas came, and my grandmother didn’t know what to get me, so my parents suggested that she got me a a radio that you could receive aircraft on.

    So, sometime in the summer of 1982 the IndiaEcho family set off for my local airport, East Midlands, to try out the radio. We soon found the viewing area, which at the time was a field where the UPS terminal is now. It was all very pleasant, and we made several visits to watch the comings and goings before autumn came and it was time to put the radio away for the winter.

    Next March, it is time for a family weekend away in Windsor. We arrived Friday lunchtime, and decided to go up to Heathrow for the afternoon. On the Queen’s Building roof I went into the shop and bought a copy of Civil Aircraft Markings. Went outside and looked up the nearest aircraft to learn that PH-CHB was a F.28 Fellowship from NLM Cityhopper.

    The following day we were scheduled to return to the airport to get the tube into London for the day, but we got their a little earlier than planned to see a Concorde take off. I took my CAM with me, started to tick off the aircraft that I saw, and life was never the same again…..

    I have visited airports over 1,000 times since then, and as a consequence the Queens Building will always have a special place in my memory as I think back to that day.

    IE I think your sentiments about this now-gone place are echoed by many here. It sounds like in the early 1980s the Queen’s building/T2 viewing area was still a fully working functional place with aviation shop and all. I wonder what will inspire young people to get interested in the airline industry now Heathrow is just a windowless, security-ridden, passenger-processing factory?

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478560
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    VeeOne….that BOAC 707 on the crossing looks like G-AXXZ (a pax only variant, too!) which was the last 707 BOAC received (1970?).Did you ever pilot one? I like Travolta’s 707 coupe!
    As I remember it, that road was not accessible to the public or their cars in the 40s and early 50s and the only way the public could get a look at the hangar area was on the bus-trips which ran from the public enclosures/Queens Building. When London Transport 90B/140 started running on that road (ca.1955?) things loosened up and the arrival of the cargo village around 1969 made the use of the South Perimeter Road commonplace, but I suspect they were never designated as public roads.I think the crossing was closed in March 2006 and traffic routed to the East of the hangars

    I would have loved very much to have had the chance to fly a 707. I have always rather liked it.

    Here is a chart of LAP 1960 and it shows the perimeter road going east of the BOAC maintenance base (as it does today).

    The first time I ever visited LAP was as a child on a family visit during summer holidays. We drove through the BEA/BOAC bases using the through-road route on a 286 bus from Feltham, I believe. My recollection was of seeing what I know know was the BOAC maintenance Argonaut, a lot of British Eagle aeroplanes including a 707 in a hanger. I think British Eagle had just gone bust. On another visit we went on a rail-air bus from Ashford which routed through the southern tunnel, restricted to normal traffic at that time.

    http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/boacbasemap.jpg

    in reply to: Aerial photo of London Airport 1965 #478811
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    I am amazed I have never noticed the older Boeing 707 jets did not have leading edge slats!

    This bunch I photographed in 1983 when overhead USAF Fairford must have been some of the very first Boeing 707s produced. I think the longer -320C variant looks nicer. These KC 135 jets have short fuselages ahead of the wing and the trailing edge of the main wing is straight, rather than jinked like the later passenger jets. I bet the engines are underpowered too!

    http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/fairfordUSAF1983.jpg

    in reply to: Antonov 124P at Manchester 14 july 11 #478814
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    Lovely to see such a classic aeroplane flying around. 🙂

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